Men & women
Patrik
Money, money,,,, or family
I met a girl from Belarus more than 1 year ago. I went and visited her and stayed there 3 times, she came to Sweden 2 times and we traveled abroad to Macedonia and I always paid for travel, food, toys for her children. I bought gifts for her and the kids, flowers, cooked food, gave bus money, and expensive bells, and genuine booklets as a gift, Mikel Cross's watch for 300 euros. She wanted me to pay her rent because she said she had two apartments and no one wanted to rent the other. I did not. But when we meet every time she wants me to buy expensive things for her, pants and fur jacket, I bought an expensive leather jacket. 300-400 euros. I thought she wanted a family but noticed that she was talking to others on skype. So i said i wanted some honest girl, and not fake. Because I want someone to form a family with. Is there any honest girl who wants a guy who has his own business, so much traveling, and who can have a girl who does not have to work. So please write.
David
When i was in Kiev I liked to eat in Вареничная Катюша very normal place old Soviet style and Ukrainian dishes and unique designs great food and drink at normal rates that locals use. If I travel I want to act like a local not like a oligarch.. eat drink and party has much has you like but like locals is best
Lyubov
На мой взгляд, это правильный способ узнать о реальной жизни в другой стране.
Анна, мне вообще товарно денежные отношения не интересны, я взрослая тетка, к своим годам имею все что мне нужно для жизни, я искала мужа, а не машины. дома, брУлианты. Бог мне послал мужчину. Правда кольцо пришлось ему купить мне, думаю переживет. А деньги на обратную дорогу женщина должна иметь. Инстинкт самосахронения, так сказать.
Mikaela, моя мама тоже старше меня на 42 года, и в детстве, когда у всех детишек в школе родители были молоды, мои родители сильно отличались от них. Я не стыдилась... но другим деткам немного завидовала,если честно.Это было на подсознательном уровне. Я , также как и Вы, обожаю своих родителей!!!. Но считаю, что всему свое время! В 53-54 года рожать детей- это не очень хорошо, в эти года нужно уделять внимание внукам. И еще- Ваши родители не имели огромную разницу в возрасте. Они имели одинаковые интересы и социально- психологическое равенство партнеров.
Я работаю в немецкой компании, у меня приличная должность хороший доход, а перехожу я на низкооплачеемую должность, да и оплата не айс. Мне 50 лет, я не боюсь пропасть в чужой стране, руки ноги есть. Нарине вам в пример.
Mikaela
Разницу в возросте родителей я привела к тому, что мой отец еще старше меня +10))У каждого свои тараканы в голове))если вы задавали другом, то я всегда гордились)))я думаю каждый человек сам для себя решает, кому в какое время заводить семью и детей)))
Nata
очень странно, что тема свелась к обсуждению разницы в возрасте, за молодость нужно платить? действительно? можно подумать, что женщины возраста 40-50+ так не делают.
Есть предложение от мужчины, ты или соглашаешься или нет и сразу видишь его возраст, а потом и достаток. И каждый может желать того что хочет, хоть молодую, хоть не очень.
А девушка захотела и рыбку съесть и попу не ободрать.
Патрик, желаю вам быть более наблюдательным и быть реалистом.
Mikaela ,
Thank you very much.I am happy to hear that you are reading my posts.In the first place , I would like to get a debate going , about what and how (some) men think and say , about their findings , trips to EE/Russia and their meetings or communications with Slavic women.
I am by no means , an expert about life in the former U.S.S.R.And I don't know all and everything , but my experiences and the chances that I had , to live and be part of the people's daily life , in U.S.S.R-Poland gave me a great and invaluable insight , in what did affect their life.
I want to point out , that when visiting purely as a tourist , you could/would not notice , what life really ment in those days.
Also the fact that my then Polish girlfriend , could act as a translator and pointing me to the real issues , that were causing problems for the people , was really helpful.
In fact if it had not been for her and her family/relatives , I surely would not have known , of some of the big issues , that was affecting these people's life in these days.
It is because of this experience and what I have learned , that I can revieuw between life then and today.
Without any reference , it's almost impossible , to come to a more or less correct conclusion.
I can't say for sure , but I am thinking of making an article of what I have learned about life in Socialist U.S.S.R
Of course , the young people , of today , have been through the changes in their country , after the break down of the "Iron Curtain".
Much has changed , but in some CIS countries , it is changing in a slower pace.
Naturally I wish and I want , that in EE/Russia the life of all the people will change for the better.
And the daily worries will go to a minimum.
That said , I also have witnessed and I know , that you people are determined , are Always on the positive and look at life from the bright side.
I'm sure that there will come a day , when we wouldn't have to worry about global/political issues.
And thank you for asking , but I am fine.I have just watched the Formel 1 qualifying.
I hope that you will have a nice day too and despite if you have to work (late) you will enjoy your day.
Dobre denh - Oh yes , my Russian is improving ...
Eric
Elara ,
You have nailed it .Now is THIS my 1st mistake ... ??
Agree with you.Maybe a misunderstanding between you and me ?
David
You see much more eating where real people eat and going on metro passing the babushkas selling the fruit useing trolley bus... is love to leave the life in England and live in Eastern Europe sell everything I've got and live the simple life having my mum and my kids and my business is only things that stop me
David
I've been to Poland many times and I find different areas in Poland have a different feel to them I love Poznan and Wroclaw they have a very personal feel to them
Lara
Эрик,я Вас хорошо понимаю. Уважаю и ценю Ваше мнение. С большим удовольствием читаю Ваши комментарии.
David
I once went to a nightclub in Eastern Europe and was set in the clockroom and there was a girl sat next to me she noticed my Armani Shirt and my IPhone and started chatting to me she was really cute looking and we got on well. I went home and has soon has I got home was being text off her and she wanted to meet for dinner next day. Date started off me getting double charged in restaurant and then her dragging me into some shoe shop. In shoe shop she tells me she wants shoes and I say but we only just met she say but I want shoes I say I not getting you shoes she say I not move out shop till you buy me shoes I say you stay in shop I'm going. I got her no shoes and said goodbye to her has soon has we left the shop. Moral of the story is because a woman can give you come to bed eyes this is not love and not respect. Once relationships built you gain respect if you start off wrongly you say goodbye to the girl... your olga was a lazy girl age not always a issue it's the person
Lara
Мариночка, мы все в тренде . Я рада,что многие умеют читать между строк
Lara
Дэвид,Вы такой смешной! Желаю Вам встретить женщину и найти любовь,искреннюю и чистую. Удачи Вам.
Margaryta
Надежда, неужели вы думаете, что женщины будут говорить мужчине, что ей нужны подарки, путешествия и т.д. ???? То же самое касается и мужчин...как часто мы слышим о серьёзных отношениях и создании семьи...Если бы все говорили правду о своих желаниях и целях, мы бы меньше читали грустные истории и счастливых пар было больше. (это только моё мнение)
you are too hursh to judge somebody you dont really know, you have heard only one side and got to go through your own expiriece with a different person, dont need to try on the dress you dont own.
Larisa
Уважаемый Патрик,Я присоединюсь к комментариям и советам,которые здесь дали дамы,и соглашусь -да надо подбиратьсебе спутницу ближе к своего возврасту,и добавлю-не надо начинать отношений с покупок или поездок,больше узнать о спутнице-её социальный статус,воспитание,увлечения-причем не из переписок на сайте,а может и при встречах.Если у Вас очень высокий социальный статус-может и надо Вам найти себе спутницу из региона тоже более высокого статуса? Вы так много раз встречались,и если женщина так себя повела (подарки,разговоры по скайпу с другими и т.д.) не надо обвинять её одну,может надо задуматься почему это произошло?может и Вы что то сделали не правильно.Мы иногда обвиняем всех-только не себя,может сначала себя надо немного подкорректировать и подумать-а что Вы из себя представляете,почему такая ситуация с Вами произошла,это всех мужчин касается! Иногда из за мужских таких оценок попадают в немилость все дамы,которые ,как Вы пишите честные и хотят иметь семью и любовь.Не бойтесь меняться сами,ищите,и сами любите искренне и Бог Вам поможет и даст то,что Вы заслуживаете! Удачи!
Ben
In face of the events you illustrate, I prefer asking questions, rather than multiplying the advice that has been given multiple times from dozens of people. I'm not here to judge, agree, disagree, approve or disapprove. I merely want to give you some food for thought:
Are you genuinely surprised at a reaction such as this girl's or rather what kind of reaction do you expect? You painstakingly list all the items, their value, the financial assets that you have, so apparently you HAVE a very materialistic sense and perception of the world.
How important are things to YOU yourself?
What role do money, financial assets and possessions play in your life?
How important are age differences to you?
What is the reason for you to look for someone so much younger than yourself?
Think about it: you ARE 53 now. Let's assume you speedily meet a girl with whom you get along. By the time you have a REALISTIC chance to get married, you'll be 55 (if you take your time to avoid speed-crashing into marriage). Even if you procreate RIGHT NOW, you'll still be 54.
`By the time the kid is 14 / 15 with plenty of energy and hormones going wild (puberty), you'll be 70 years of age which is the usual age for a grandparent when kids go to school.
Are you certain that you have the stamina and physique to meet those challenges?
Are you certain that your future spouse is far-sighted enough to see this clearly and consciously?
Most importantly, are you aware of the risk that the child might easily become an object of ridicule, harrassment, jokes and perhaps even bullying?
People usually have a built-in body clock, a timer of self-awareness, if you want to call it that. Statistically speaking women live longer than men. We are or become aware of this mostly subconsciously. People often lack the answer to why they think that an older man with a considerably younger woman is disgraceful. BUT we need to take precautions for our future. If you say, age differences don't matter, it's your right and priviledge. However, it is equally egoistic: once you're gone, the woman is left without you and has to make do either as a single mum or remarry - neither of which are desirable prospects in the long run. So (some) girls take their chances and gut you financially and / or use you in some other way, because they somehow know that sooner or later they will be left to themselves.
Here are some questions that I deem useful, if you want to give your future happiness a genuine chance.
Who is the man behind the business that you run?
What qualities and characteristics make up the man you are?
What goals do you have in mind? What does 'family' mean to you?
Nata
я вполне могу предположить почему некоторые мужчины ищут женщин моложе, если они еще сексуально активны им и нужна активная молодая женщина, которая привнесет в жизнь много приятных эмоций и даст стимул оставаться привлекательным мужчиной.
Будем честными, не все женщины возраста Патрика, думают о сексе, как о чем-то приятном и необходимом.
David
I do not feel that I am being harsh to this mans situation. I feel that the man was sincere and the girl was rewarded for time with this man. I feel both got much out this relationship trips to Belarus Sweden and macadonia. I feel that there was no problem with the man paying and if he wants to date a younger woman fine however he will need to support the basic travel and date costs. However if the girl wanted him to pay for apartments and give her gifts and didn't want family and serious relationship she should of made this clear to the man that it was only fun then not a problem however this guy was supporting the girl which is fine on a fun basis if that's understood but it seems to me that the girl was speaking to many men for many gifts which makes this situation unfair.
Alyonka
Выскажу моё мнение по вашей теме,Патрик.
У вас такое разочарование впервые? Знаю-не впервые.
Может,стоит задуматься над вашим выбором женщины?
Какие критерии отбора у вас-молодость,красота,свободное для путешествий время?
Если женщина не работает-у неё не может быть денег...никак вообще никак...
Если женщина работает-у неё есть деньги на своё собственное содержание,но нет свободного времени! И если вы хотите путешествовать,разделив расходы пополам-она должна работать ещё больше!!!!
Это закон жизни.
Вы покупали подарки и всё оплачивали,вы это желали делать или вас принуждали?
Уверена-вы получали УДОВОЛЬСТВИЕ.
Вы поступали благородно и ожидали взаимности.
Но увидели общение с другим мужчиной-соперником.
Вы обсуждали с девушкой это?
Может,это был просто друг или брат?
Вообще-вы обсуждали границы личного пространства-возможность общения с мужчинами(для неё) и ваше общение с женщинами(для вас)?
Irina
Ната! Я отвечу на Ваше:"...не все женщины возраста Патрика, думают о сексе, как о чем-то приятном и необходимом", - Патрик /или не Патрик/ изначально отключил женщин "возраста Патрика" от возможности "думать о сексе, как о чем-то приятном и необходимом". Насколько я поняла, зачастую все всЕ знают за женщин "возраста Патрика". И только женщины "возраста Патрика" не знают, что иногда секс - это приятно и необходимо.
Natalja
Я Вам от лица пятидесятилетних женщин скажу : не только думают как о приятном, но и с удовольствием занимаются сексом.
Right word you seemed, we know this story a few years and it seems the man is not in peace inside and jump from one edge to another blaming and blaming girl at everything... But we heard Olga as well before , she is a very adequate and smart woman with two little kids , if she's so bad as was written many times maybe it's better to let her live her own life , why need to keep her around and endlessly complain ? Leave her and be happy....
Nadezhda
Good evening, David. If you came to a restaurant to just take a girl, then, of course, she requires a gift from you. And there are normal girls who are not imposed on acquaintances and who after the first meeting keep you at a distance. They do not ask you for a present. It is worth paying attention to these girls. These girls are not spoiled.
David
I'm really sorry I did not know this was a ongoing issue. I am sure the problem is two different people with different views and expectations of there relationship I never realised the lady was a well known member with kids and probably in this case it's not fair on her to have the views aired in a public forum. I myself bought a years membership I don't come on site to communicate too often but this post was brought to my attention without knowing it's a ongoing saga
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