Men & women
Ben
THE 10 worst openers
The absolute turn offs for starting communication:
10) a wink
9) an emoji
"Hi"
7) "How are you?"
6) "Hi, how are you?"
5) "nice profile" - without any statement of what makes "nice"
4) "I like you" - interesting, you don't even know me...!
3) "handsome" / "pretty"
2) "sexy"
and the all time number one most annoying and stupid question is:
1) "What are you doing on this website?" Some people must be practically braindead to ask this!
An easy way out:
1) READ the profile. It states the purpose first thing!
2)TELL the other what attracts you.
3) If you're really out of creativity, then send a card - at least it shows a picture...
Have a great day. I hope, this makes a contribution to
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Ben
What are you doing on this site then? 90% is the vast majority… isn't the risk just a little high to end up with a "bad hombre"?
Svetlana
Вот Люд, читала и тебя вспоминала, помниться как ваши с мужем отношения начались... Hello beautiful woman,а ты бац и скайп ему в ответ... Вот и приехали.... Вы наверное оба поверхностные и не образованные , без требуемой глубины и полета мысли, и сказать вам друг другу нечего... В общем два сапога пара
Ха-ха-ха, Оля, мы именно такие и есть
Вот в данный момент сидим молча - я на диванчике, он в кресле. Я форум читаю, а он телевизор смотрит...., ну ничего общего, какие уж тут полеты мысли .
Прочитала и улыбнулась, мы видимо с мужем те самые идиоты, он два раза строчил мне "привет, как дела?" а я так как была только что зарегистрированной и имела большой поток писем, просто его письма случайно пропускала. В третий раз он прислал мне просто "смайлик". И только тогда я открыла его профайл, пролистала фотографии и таки задала тот самый дурацкий вопрос: "что ты делаешь на этом сайте?" не вязался у меня его образ на фотографиях с человеком который будет искать свою любовь в интернете, да еще и так далеко. Не существует теории как должен с тобой познакомиться конкретно твой "идеальный человек". От банального "привет" до глубоких обсуждений интересующих вас тем может отделять всего одно письмо, а вы его проигнорируете посчитав глупым, и возможно упустите свою судьбу. Большое заблуждение считать, что неординарные личности проявляются в первые минуты и с первых фраз.
Hanna
У меня есть несколько дежурных драфтов, если я хочу написать первая. Читаю профайл мужчины, смотрю фото. Что-то немного добавляю из профайла, особенное, присущее только этому человеку. Провожу параллели с чем-то похожим во мне. Такое, как правило, находится - полным противоположностям не пишу. У кого профайл пустой - тоже не пишу. И тем, у кого 1 фото - аналогично.
Отвечаю даже на привет или смайлик - если понравился профайл и фото.
Но мои критерии - свободный английский, место жительства, возраст, рост-вес, образование, профессия, наличие детей и т.д. В остатке не такой большой выбор, увы.
Tatyana
Бен , 10% - это интересные ,милые и одинокие мужчины , которые реально мечтают о семье , о серьезных отношениях ... 10% - это хороший шанс.
Svetlana
Да, Елена, мне кажется, что самое важное, чтобы судьба все-таки свела вместе этих самых двух "идиотов" !!! Тогда и глубокие обсуждения интересующих тем будет, и совместное молчание не будет тяготить и т.д. Так что дело совсем не в том, как начинать знакомство.
Jon
I can’t agree more Ben; the art of communication is lost. I do not feel its just women but many guys do this to. I do accept this from the below 35 year olds it’s the world of social media these days, but this site is not vibre or whatsapp, so it’s a surprise when women above 35 do this. However it’s not like it’s the late 1980s or early 1990s when letter writing was the only way to do this form of dating. I feel the best results are found by turning of the computer and getting on a plane and meeting someone face to face as soon as you connect to someone here, be it hard to do that with just "hi" notes . Nevertheless we all different, each to his/her own.
As a guide to anyone who is interested here about what we should write as an introduction(even if it seems common sense to the serious here , i always like to help😀 :
Keep your contact letter narratives short and to the point. Three paragraphs max, introduce yourself; explain why her/his profile attracted you and one or two questions in relation to her/his own profile information.
Avoid contractions: slang (messes up translators) and spell check your communication.
Make sure your profile images don't project anything unsavory, self-centered or showing off, are focused and background neutral(my pictures are a bad form of this, but funny example of this ).
Whatever profile info you are providing should be clear, concise and not rambling or contradictory.
Do a technical review of your profile/membership. Make sure you haven't pushed any buttons or checked off any windows that restrict or disallow anyone from contacting you.
Don't get frustrated if you're not being inundated with requests, patience is a virtue as they say. Conversely, don't dive in feet first when/if you do start getting requests/expressions of interest. Keep your wits about you and be vigilant (not overly suspicious but vigilant) .
All the best to everyone on there endeavor.
Nataliya
Irina
And do you do all this and send letter first to womens? And what about if a woman or a man dont have full profile not because they lazy or maybe because dont want share all information and think better write later in private message if someone ask because not all people want write theirs interests to show all. Better write when someone ask about that. And "what are you doing here"...yes maybe boring but seems not such bad question...just help to know what really a person looking for here...what priority have...looking serious relations for marriage and family o just temporary here for fun time.And if a man replies "truth" that helps understand main aim to be here and begin o not begin communication with him. Question only for that.
Ben
First of all every profile states the purpose of what people are looking for (communication, relationship, etc).
And if a person doesn't have a full profile, then you can ask what you want to know. That is exactly the whole idea of my post.
But suit yourself! Write your "hi" and "hello" and "what are you doing here?" phrases. As for me: they go straight into the bin, unresponded. Even talking about the weather is more exciting than that.
Ben
Jesus... blocking you isn't enough. You even have to stalk me here... And you say, you understand what communication is all about, yes?
Irina
Yes I understand this opinion I dont like such primitive messages from men for example too but if such phrases from women go immediately into the bin...its not polite...and not give any chance is not good..and for woman is not easy write first...maybe need time to open a person. Not gudge only from one letter...first impression can be wrong or not... need to see...Everyone can have individual opinion. Can be exeptions always. So sometimes simple greetings are not so bad things. To be creative more suits men...write first and so on...I think here there are more lazy and not polite men than women unfortuanly. Seems almost all men's are so arrogant here and think they are kings....seems Apocalipsys came. Anyway everyone can find what deserves.
Ben
As I said: "suit yourself." If you are happy to write and receive such messages, do so.
Interesting mix of communication you have there: "all men are arrogant and think they are kings", but at the same time you come up with the stereotypical cliché of men having to be more "creative".
So, as a woman you may delete "such a primitive message", but as a man you may not, because "it is not polite"? That is what I call post-apocalypse.
What I'm saying is that it's a bad way to start communication. Yes, a simple "hi" can change your life, but so can a simple "bye" for that matter.
Galina
А я не стану читать длинное подробное письмо от неизвестного и , возможно , пока неинтересного мне мужчины . Скорее всего , этот мужчина - зануда .И сама не буду в первом письме утомлять собеседника длинным текстом . Я думаю , что для знакомства вполне достаточно :" Привет 😊 , как дела ?" .
Olga
Мое личное наблюдение: длинные письма- это шаблоны, готовые заготовки для оптовой рассылки, авось кто-нибудь и клюнет..в них часто мужчины даже не удосуживаются имя поменять/вставить, ограничиваясь своими хаями и хауаюями
Irina
бывает и такое, длинные и подозрительные письма..с эмейлом внутри.
Irina
Irina
I wrote not all men are arrogant...almost all Maybe some can be better than I think. But seems classical gentelmen not exist anymore.
Ben
and you think "classical ladies" still exist. Whatever the idea - the classical period really seems to be over.
Ben
Are you Mr Deadline that you come up with a phrase "still here"?
If you had taken the time you would have noticed that I wrote repeatedly that people can do whatever. I merely stated that any of the 10 will diminish your chances to get any - never mind to say - good response. So much for judging quickly.
I hope you are AWARE of the fact that the forum and the dating site are two different things.
Good luck with your lines…
Irina
Yes I believe that ladies still exist. But sure to survive a lady with a good manners in a modern world is not easy thats why some prefer adaptate yourself and copy behavior of men... to be rude like them... no enouh gentelmens.. no enough ladies...all connected. But maybe some men like such new women that remind themselves.. who knows.
Ben
Yes, yes: all men are obnoxious, rude, brutal, crude, impolite, horrible and all women are ladies, but if they're not then they copied the obnoxious, rude, brutal, crude, impolite and horrible ways of the men...
Wow! You have an astoundingly solid view of society, human history and the world altogether... your logics are impeccable. The whole world must be at your feet for your reasoning, moderation and exquisite politeness... !
Irina
But why all....not all men...but many of them...just not respect woman...maybe that's mistakes of theirs mothers... maybe my logic is completatate for understanding so thank you and better to stop this discussion. Less stress.
Galina
Ben
I wonder also, but I suppose that is a question that you need to address Irina with.
Irina
Irina
Наверно Бен притворяется что не знает) хотя странно это значение пришло с Англии) Леди- девушка, женщина для которой качество жизни — не пустой звук. И речь идет не об имуществе и деньгах, а о свойствах личности, которые купить невозможно. Это скромность,воспитанность,благородство и тд) но современные мужчины развратились и морально не достойны таких девушек. Это мое мнение.
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