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Rich

Tips for men on here - one veterans insights

Guys,

 

I have been going to Ukraine (Kiev) for about three years (from Canada) and have had three very serious relationships and probable been on about 30 dates (not one bad one). Here are some tips:


 

1. Stick to women in main ports like Kiev or Moscow (less travelling and costs). Favor Ukraine over Russia as you need no visa. Kiev is an amazing city and the women are beautiful and friendly.

2. NEVER EVER send money - EVER. If they ask for it, they are scamming. If they say they can get cheaper flights if they pay, they are scamming. If they won't video chat, they are scamming (give them some time of course). If they have many sad stories, drop them. Even if they are not scamming they might just be negative.

3. It is fine to go much younger, but be prepared for a less mature woman. This is obvious, but beauty doesn't last long trust me. I dated a 25 yr old for 3 months (I am 46) and though a lot of fun, at times it was very frustrating, same with one 29 yr old.  There are many beautiful older women and trust me guys Ukrainian women know how to treat their men.

4. Be prepared for cultural differences - in thought and action. Some are harmless and some will drive you nuts hahah.

5. If you do start travelling there, pick one airline and sign up for points. I am now skypriority with KLM and get upgraded to business all the time.

6. Don't be cheap.

7. Buy them small gifts and flowers. Flowers is not to say sorry in Ukraine, it is for love. Men give flowers all the time and if you don't she will wonder what she did wrong.

8. Don't drink too much. They will notice and since this is a cultural issue in Slavic countries she will drop you. Plus you might do something done.

9. Treat them with respect and like ladies. Be a gentleman. They owe you NOTHING for going there, certainly not sex. They are not "easy", they are ladies and generally well brought up and educated. You to earn their trust and their affections. Again, no matter what you spent to be there (that was your choice) they owe you NOTHING.

10. Red flags. If you see three things that bother or worry you early on, move on (arguing alot would be one, mean to strangers, etc..). You will regret it if you don't (unfortuantely - trust me on this one).

 

Good luck and remember be a gentleman - these women do not deserve to be treated poorly just because they are from a poorer country.

 

Rich

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Olga, 47 y.o.

Azerbaijan

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Инесса, а почему вы считаете что в Европе все богатые? часто встречаю анкеты мужчин, которые живут с родителями или на съемной квартире. очень много живущих на пособие или пенсию или имеющими маленькие заработки. но вам такой не подойдет. он просто не сможет летать всегда к вам и оплатить ваш переезд. в вашем положение, если все так печально как вы описываете, лучше настаивать на первой встрече в вашем городе. если вы действительно заинтересуете мужчину и он захочет вас увидеть то приедет. не обязательно ехать к нему в страну для первой встречи. и к себе в гости звать не надо. не из за плохой квартиры. мужчины не выбирают себе жену по ее квартире. а просто потому что серьезно настроенный мужчина не будет напрашиваться в гости к женщине, а спокойно снимет себе номер в отеле


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Yuliya

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Инесса, в  России кто хочет заработать всегда работает. Не верю тем людям, которые говорят, что работы нет. Лично я работаю на 2х работах, еще сейчас решается вопрос о 3 работе. Я занимаюсь тем, что умею. Бухгалтерским и налоговым учетом - самостоятельный баланс коммерческих организаций. Да мне сложно и я устаю, у меня мало свободного времени для личной жизни.  Но я так чувствую себя лучше. Учу сейчас иностранный язык. Хочу подтвердить свое образование. Есть стратегия в жизни. И это моя жизнь. Я никого не жду, чтобы пришел и решил мои проблемы. Я решаю их сама как могу. И я не чуствую себя несчастной или нищей. Никогда не понимала людей, которые всю жизнь жалуются на свою жизнь и ничего не далают чтобы ее изменить. Извините за критику.


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David

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Knowing English opens window of opertunity it also opens a window of greed. Whilst woman speak no English and wanting new world she is pure. Has a woman learn English and get older she becomes damaged goods and greedy on some occasions hence why so many older women either single long term or have choosed to live in country's with a lavish economy


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Anita

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знание английского языка открывает новые возможности в общении)) а жадность от знания языков не зависит.. 

конечно, пока она не знает языка- можно свободно лапшу на уши вешать) а как выучит- уже нет...  

 

 значит мужчины все априори товар леквидный?? а женщины- испорчены?

смешно- да здесь столько много прекрасных, чистых, добросердечных женщин, которых многие из вас просто недостойны)) а то. что здесь находимся подолгу. так не наша вина, что "леквидные" мужчины не умеют выбирать сердцем, а выбирают совсем другим местом)) каким? а сами догадайтесь))

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Olga, 47 y.o.

Russia

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Анита, ему бы и самому совсем не помешало английский поучить, а то пишет так, что шарики за ролики заезжают, пока эту писанину разберешь ... 


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Alyonka

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David

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Two examples date woman on here in 40s level 4 English No mater what I spent never good enough. I always greedy man. Met Girl 23 years old spent a week together girl not wanting relationship yet when I go girl sad speak no English but appreciate all I spend on her and all we spend and do together. Could of been relationship however i make choice not to continue. No problems no stress! When I spend little, girl always happy, girl happy wherever we go, whatever we do. Girl act natural. On site forums men told more young more you need to invest in girl this is far from true. Compare young girl who loved her country loved her job and compare with experiences woman who's lived in Paris Denmark Switzerland looking for new groom woman who eats & where the best clothes out of many men's wallets I do not feel you can compare. I notice the older the woman the more she count every penny man spend. And resentful to approaching babushka age. Young girl beautiful ready to give birth to life and ready for investment to a less degree however man can invest in house family children future. Of course there's a bonus of age and beauty allso but personally I find young girl with no English better and even to myself I need to work to get there. My russian is only level 2 but improving I ever get to level 4 I'll without doubt have the most beautiful Slavic wife and our children who will speak both languages. I am not saying everyone is the same has theres good and bad in all people all ages. However this is my personal experience of Slavic dating so far.


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David

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I see you laugh. I know you so well maybe you think about this through winter and till June.


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Anita

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Нет, дорогой- я не обижена на свой возраст))это мой лучший возраст, поверьте)) и я ещё даже таким молодым как Вы могу фору дать при желании, а вот Вы - обижены на всех женщин))

 

 может быть Вы и обеспечены материально, но.. к сожалению бедны на душевную щедрость)) мне Вас жаль!!!


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David

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You don't know me. You can only comment on what you read

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Olga, 47 y.o.

Azerbaijan

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Девид, ваши жизненные примеры не основание чтобы делать вывод обо всех женщинах всех возрастов. На основание ваших же слов тут мы делаем выводы о вас и тех кто общался с вами. Девушки 23-25 лет с которыми вы познакомились в пабе или ночном клубе или на улице не рассматривали вас как потенциального жениха. Вы были для них лишь компанией для развлечения. На русском есть хорошее слово собутыльник. Возможно им было с вами весело выпивать, ужинать или танцевать. На следующий день  они забыли про вас. Женщины более зрелого возраста ( тем более если вы познакомились на сайте знакомств) рассматривают вас как потенциального партнера для серьезных отношений, наблюдают и делают выводы. Им вы не интересны как компания для выпивки. Им интересно какой вы ведете образ жизни, какие у вас планы, чего вы достигли в вашей жизни. Для серьезных отношений нужно иметь нечто более кроме как желания пить в пабе или веселиться или гулять по городу. Разумеется, серьезным женщинам важно знать как и где вы живете, где работаете. Тем более в международных отношениях важно узнать подходит ли этот мужчина для серьезных планов, готов ли он на серьезные отношения и семью. Простите за мою честность, но часто женщины относятся к вам так как вы себя позиционируете. Вы много говорите о жадности и корысти женщин. Это мало кому приятно слышать. Но если бы я была заинтересована вами то я бы спросила вас а что вы сделали для того чтобы серьезная женщина полюбила вас таким какой вы есть. Я надеюсь что вы понимаете что оплата ужина и кровати в отеле не гарантирует любовь. А оскорбляя других женщин нельзя вызвать уважение к себе


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Alyonka

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человеческое спасибо,Оля!

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Olga, 47 y.o.

Russia

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Оль, ну ты дала стране угля 😁😁😁 Что мужчина должен сделать, чтобы полюбила женщина умная и серьезная ? Да  такие, о каких Анита написала, априори короли и принцы, они же иностранцы, а значит любые женщины должны штабелями укладываться   😁, воть...как в анекдоте, когда седьмой муж бьет вам морду, пора задуматься, уж не морда ли виновата .....

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Anna, 48 y.o.

Ukraine

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Я би добавила, что есть поговорка, что єто не женщина много тратит, а мужчина мало зарабативает. Топики о меркантильности наших женщин ДОСТАЛИ.

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Marina, 43 y.o.

Russia

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David, I think you aggressively respond to every comment. This confirms the fact that you apparently really offended by all women.

You need to calm down mentally first and foremost and after starting to respond adequately to comments from women of all ages. Believe me, we don't want to hurt you, you just don't hear us


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David

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Hello Olga. I fully understand your answer and accept your comments has fair now please let me get my side across to all this.

I agree my life examples are not the basis to draw a conclusion about all women of all ages. And I hope it translated right that I did put at bottom of my reply that I wasn't meaning everyone of all ages.

One Girl of 23 years old I met on another site worked for large chain store group in Ukraine has a manager very mature for age didn't want relationship due to divorce a few months prior however it worked and was my fault for not returning to Ukraine that it wasn't serious relationship.

nightclub girl pretty gold digger again made mistake silly man from west can't read Russian restaurant double charge and then want shoes and I lose interest before we kiss etc. I have no interest in entertainment I want right woman if I want entertainment I would get and it's cheaper than dating in Eastern Europe but this not my goal.

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My plan in life is to have another child and find right woman it not be about money. In life I've achieved owning 3 houses (between me and my mother) we no loans on this property.... I have 2 children one with autism. And have savings. I like to travel and since my well documented visit to Vitebsk I've visited Minsk Warsaw Wroclaw Kiev Lviv Odessa Chrisneu Bucharest Budapest Bratislava and Nurumburg with my youngest son with aurtism we stay in hotel apartment and sleeper trains and see many sites. I don't actually drink but will if on a date with a woman who drinks if with my children I do not drink the situation I discribe these occasions the women like to drink.

Regarding work at moment this is complicated however I'm self supporting and have money and always doing my own work projects.

You are right with allot of what you put and I understand women needs to know mans intent. Sadly for man we are different to women and I am probably picky in the woman I want. The lady I met on here I not have a problem with but she want everything too fast then explode and call me names. And tell others things that are not for others peoples ears so I do same

Prior to joining international dating my dating in England there was no problem having relationship but not got married due to real reasons that are very sad.

I understand bedroom and love is very different and I am not out to offend nobody however when for example the two kiev girls start saying Ukrainian kitchen is not to there standards I feel it not just offend me but offend many others who take there family's to such places simple places in Kiev are popular and just like a park or picnic it's about the person not the money spend.

I don't want to offend nobody and if I have sorry. Olga I do not question your motives for being here and neither do others.

however I won't stand by and be drawn into arguments which started in a different subject where it was cleverly linked to mine and Miss White Russia's meetings!!


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David

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I am not an aggressive person. If I meet a good woman the date goes well. If I come over aggressive here I'm sorry wasn't the idea


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Ben

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It's not the translation that matters, but the text, i.e. the content, are terrible.
You give the impression of a warehouse shopper who writes customer reviews. For God's sake! we're talking about people, dating and human relationships and not "products" like on some Tesco shelf.


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Anastasiya


Вы плохо знаете украинских женщин.

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Paul, 56 y.o.

Canada

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Women in Kiev are NOT REAL!


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Ben

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I bet you don't even know where Kiev is.
It's probably too late for you to grow up, but you could at least try to.


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Ben

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1) You can install skype, viber, whatsapp or any other useful app that allows personalised communication.
2) before you even think or dream of asking for money, you can offer yourself to send copies of BOTH your passports.
3) You can give out your mobile number and say when you're free to talk.
4) you suggest meeting in your country FIRST, if travelling is difficult for you.
5) you can pick up on his communication and send photos of your surroundings and share your life with him. Scammers are cold and emotionally retarded creatures. If you ask about his views and interests and show respect for his ideas and views
, you will gain trust little by little and step by step.
Always remember:
Good things come to those who wait.  
Asking someone for money whom you have never met in real life is completely out of order.
The maximum any reasonable man would do, is to book a ticket for you so that you can pick it up from the airport when you show your passport.

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PS: Rich is short for "Richard". Some people also say "Dick". I wonder if that fits here…

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