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Neil

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I have read quite a few posts on here discussing men sending money to women. Many women seem to claim that they are in need of money and that the average Russian woman is not capable of financing her own meetings etc. Yet most of you ladies clearly show photos of yourselves in all kinds of exotic locations wearing designer clothes on holiday and looking like you are having a great time without your children! Makes things kind of difficult to figure out the true nature of a person!??!


If you want to meet a man why don’t you save money and instead of spending it on the Louis Vuitton bags and shoes spend it on travelling to meet the man of your dreams??!? Sometimes a genuine photo of you doing the washing up dressed in your pyjamas has much more credit than one of you underneath a palm tree or beside a lake looking glamorous!?

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Tatyana, 43 y.o.

Ukraine

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Мы сейчас не обсуждаем что лично для меня нормально , а что нет . Но если вы спросили , я Вам отвечу : для меня не нормально незаслуженные обвинения в адрес женщин , нытьё , какие-то обиды и странные претензии (особенно про "купить билет" и то в какой одежде они на фото , сколько стоят гламурные платья и поездки на курорты , и откуда у женщин вообще такие деньги чтобы всё это себе позволять )))) Вот это всё и называется "заглядывать в чужой кошелёк" ) Поэтому , хочет строить отношения - пусть строить , а не считает чужие деньги , поездки , платья , курорты и тому подобное )

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Tatyana, 43 y.o.

Ukraine

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А я его и не обвиняла , уважаемая Людмила ) Я поддержала мнение и ответ одной форумчанки , которая написала своё мнение по поводу осведомлённости и опыта Дэвида ) А я её и поддержала ) Ответ понравился ) Так что видите ?) Не одна я здесь такая , которая смело может отличить секс-туризм от серьёзных намерений )


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Olga

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Татьяна, я задала вам конкретный вопрос, вы на него не ответили. Ну и ладно, не обязаны.


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Olga

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У нас есть такие баки, куда всё это можно "пристроить". Я свои каблуки и наряды туда уже сбросила. Оставила парочку. Ни разу не надевала.

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Liudmila, 52 y.o.

Germany

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А Вы уверены на сколько процентов в своей правоте? На 100? Вы имеете доказательства? 

Если нет, то это "не умение смело отличить секс-туризм от серьезных намерений", а безпочвенные подохрения, в чем Вы, уважаемая Татьяна, обвиняли ТС   . Причем в открытом доступе.


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David


A sex tourist is a man who travels to Eastern Europe to meet women in hotel lobby bars. If I travel to Eastern Europe I will of spoke to someone get to know them and have a 5 star apartment. I don’t have one night stands or meet prostitutes. I will speak for weeks before I meet anyone with a view to a relationship.

First time a man goes to Eastern Europe he can be tricked I try protect Neil.

I’ve traveled nearly all Europe not just Eastern Europe I also take my son... I resent some remarks which are clearly Defimation of my character

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Liudmila, 52 y.o.

Germany

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У нас тоже такое есть, я туда что попроще тоже побросала. Но как-то я еще не созрела "всю коллекцию" отправить, надеюсь может кому нужен гламур размера XS  .

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Tatyana, 43 y.o.

Ukraine

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Мне совсем не сложно дать ответ на этот вопос , но это уже отдельная тема , вытекающая из предыдущей . Вам интересно моё мнение ?) Для меня не приемлемо просить такие суммы денег на визу у незнакомого мне человека....Но не об этом тема , не обо мне и не о том "хорошо это просить , или плохо" ) Нейл договаривался о встрече с женщиной в его стране . Значит он был согласен с таким планом развития событий ?!) Она ему сообщила все необходимые затраты на поездку и консульство . А он , не разобравшись , где правда , где не правда , обвинил её в афёре , и по сей день продолжает обвинять , и не только её !!! А большую часть анкет на этом сайте ) Что все кто в красивых платьях , значит , наверняка скамеры , прибедняющиеся что нет денег на билет к нему ) Разве это нормальный подход к знакомству ? Это нормальный такой старт и настроение ? Я вижу только серые тона , претензии , обвинения и обиды в его текстах . И больше ничего . Я хочу сказать что так не строят отношения .


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David

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Neil is a normal man. He has experienced loss in his life. He’s one of the good guys. I read him in English! Not translated English. You don’t know the full criteria for visas especially fiancée visas you think all man are greedy sex tourists! Not all men are bad!!!

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Tatyana, 43 y.o.

Ukraine

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А Вы уверены на сколько процентов в своей правоте ???) На 200 ?)))) Могу задать Вам аналогичный вопрос ?) И сколько у Вас доказательств ?) Поэтому , давайте каждый останется при своём мнении . Я в Вашу полемику вступать не хочу .


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David

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Love is a natural feeling! If you love someone you will eat rice in a mud hut with them! I only eat in top restaurants that are clean and not pretentious!! Where I eat are at top of trip adviser... with accreditation


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Olga

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Я вижу совсем другое в комментариях Нейла. Я вижу то же, что видит Людмила.

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Tatyana, 43 y.o.

Ukraine

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Of course . Not all men are bad ) Full agree with you )


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Neil

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Tatyana my sweet beautiful lady....please relax...sit down I will make you a cup of tea and rub your tired shoulders......ok..better? I think you misunderstand my expression! My reference to a barge pole is an English expression it doesn’t mean beating or poking anybody, it simply means to keep a distance in other words to exercise caution. I would quite happily fund a woman’s trip to me providing that I am certain that the woman is real. Unfortunately in this day and age I have to be careful of who I send money as there are fraudsters out there on the internet who prey on international dating. I am not accusing the woman that I have been communicating to of being a fraudster but I cannot also guarantee that she is real so I will find a way to meet that we are both comfortable. The woman I met wanted to come to me as she said that she would really love to see some of England so I said ok. I have a large house with several bedrooms so she said there would be no need for a hotel and I said ok I would be delighted to have her as my guest and I would support her stay here and take her out to see different sights.......Now listen carefully my beautiful fiery Tatyana .....more tea?.....when travelling to the uk on a standard visa you can either travel as a ‘tourist’ or a ‘visitor’ if you come as a visitor then you can explain and give evidence to the visa authorities that your visit will be payed for by the person you are staying with here in the uk. Doing it this way means that you can travel and stay here even with only a little money. Do you understand so far? .....If you travel here as a ‘tourist’ then the visa authority will want you to prove that you have the money to support yourself and so your bank would need to have a large sum of money in it to show that. If you choose the tourist option you are also breaking the conditions of your visa as you are clearly travelling to meet someone and not to just holiday. I had already sent approximately £900 pounds to pay for her flight and expenses and despite me telling her to choose the visitor option she then chose tourist, she then continued to insist that she had to have £5000 pounds in her account to satisfy the visa requirements to travel here. It would be foolish of me to send this money to anybody I have never met before especially if it is not necessary. I explained this and have heard little from her since. I have said that to meet there are other ways but have heard nothing back. Surely if she wanted to see me so bad she would have listened or replied to me in order to try to meet? Do you know that if she had funded her own trip here to meet then at the end of the two week visit I was going to surprise her and give her all her expenses back anyway. I would of done this regardless of wether or not we had formed a relationship, I would of done it as a friend because I know that compared to my salary her salary is small. Do you see now? I am not some stick, wielding sex tourist. I am a gentleman but I will not be prey. .....I hope that all this is not lost in translation. By the way I like your profile, I can see that you are a very beautiful woman, I love your fiery tempestuous mood, you seem to hate me so much it feels like love! .....Oh and by the way your horse could do with being a hand or so higher for your height x


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Neil

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Thanks David for the ideas, it is much appreciated, I have reached a point in my life where with all I have been through that it’s time for me to have some travels and adventures and explore new possibilities including relationships


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Natalja

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Татьяна, вы пропустили момент, что девушка, которая собиралась в гости в Англию и расчитывающая , что ей все оплатят, не открыла своего настоящего адреса. Наверное она на задании в Афганистане, и все засекречено.)) Человек не обвиняет, а спрашивает, хочет разобраться: кто реально ищет серьезные отношения, ему нужны серьезные, а не развлеченье , как у многих. /А он бы мог к вам приехать/. Не впишутся, наверное в английский пейзаж гламурные дамы в мини , на шпильках. Запугали парня красотой, взяли бы у бабушек своих фланелевые халатики и сфотографировались ,для разнообразия.))


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Neil

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Tanja thanks for your well worded reply, it is true I have to be careful, the woman I was in communication with was not from this site, she found me on an English dating site.

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Tatyana, 43 y.o.

Ukraine

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Dear Neil )
Now reading your letter, I feel your positive mood... Believe?) I sincere smiled reading it... For tea - big thanks) Very tasty)
Now I understand that you really faced a fraudster in your past, and the alternative of the meeting was offered by you... But a woman is not accepted.
But you forget about the old insults and troubles , please . Throw them out of your head, but continue to be careful... Do not send money for a ticket, but send a ticket to a woman with the option to cancel it in case of force majeure. Better yet, come first. At the same time, you have possibility to look how she will meet you, whether she will find time for you, plan ahead of time for joint activities. You will feel at the personal communication of the person ... and make the first objective representations for yourself, next to you is "your woman" or not... But it is not necessary to draw such conclusions that if she put on a cocktail dress for you in the theater, or came to you in her own car, this does not mean that she is fabulously rich woman ))) Moreover, this does not mean that she is a scammer. Here, many have already heard the answers that some women had a good job, some were provided by their ex-husbands, and many others might be moments...

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And one more thing , but very omportant ))) Smile, be more positive and optimistic, set yourself up for searches, and you will definitely find the one you want to find. I sincerely wish you this Neil , and dont be upset , please , for my rude words from my first letters . Early I saw you , like this . But now , I changed my mind . Have a nice evening )

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Elena, 47 y.o.

Russia

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Татьяна , Neil так ласково и нежно к вам обратился в последнем письме, признался , что ему нравится ваш профиль ,темперамент , может быть приглядитесь . Да и плохой мир всегда лучше хорошей войны . Это всего лишь форум , не тратьте впустую силы и энергию , направляйте ее на достижение своих целей . Вы приятная симпатичная девушка , больше позитива .

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Marina, 46 y.o.

Ukraine

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Ольга, конечно, это траты на мужчину ))). А если серьёзно и без шуток, то моя подруга решила совместить отпуск на Кипре со встречей с мужчиной. В итоге - отпуск был испорчен, он оказался жутким жадиной и нарциссом. Отныне для неё - отпуск это свято, для себя, любимой. А что касается меня, то я не полечу к мужчине ни за свой, ни за его счёт (на первую встречу). Я не на столько смелая. Да и вообще, всё больше склоняюсь к тому, что иностранцы - не моё. Слишком разные менталитеты, мне даже предложения сложно строить на английском. Я привыкла что бы говорить, так говорить ))). По английски (я для себя сделала вывод) - чем короче и конкретнее, тем наверняка тебя поймут правильно. Ответ на Ваш вопрос о языках очевиден. Разумеется, это надо мне, а не мужчине.

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Liudmila, 52 y.o.

Germany

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Я вижу только то, что пишет человек, не больше и не меньше. И не додумываю за него то, чего нет. Поэтому моя правота подтверждается полностью его словами. У меня нет причин не верить этому человеку. 

У нас с Вами, уважаемая Татьяна, никак не полемика, ибо во время полемики выясняют вопросы в политическогй, философской, литературной, художественной сферах. А у нас с Вами обычный спор или дискуссия, когда каждый из оппонентов пытается доказать свою точку зрения.


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David

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I wanted to know if you took his advise about the height of your horse? 🐴


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Galina

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I don't understand your argument , David . If a man and a woman love each other - they will eat rice . If you do not like each other - will eat in an expensive restaurant healthy food ...
What is the connection between Love and your nutrition ?
And why you so humiliated the Ukrainian girls, having designated them the cheapest for foreign men . Don't you think that's discrimination ?

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Olga, 42 y.o.

Belarus

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Neil, вы имели только переписку или также видео общение?


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David

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In my experience to go Ukraine it’s visa free... a train cost is very inexpensive too. You live in Moscow there is no comparison. Ukraine girls are not cheap however they do seem to place more importance to the meeting than crazy demands in my experience in general.
Entertainment is cheap and international quality restaurants are same price has cafes. Ukraine girls invest in themselves and there family’s and in my experience appreciate more. Maybe this is just my experience I don’t know. I’ve had some totally crazy demands off Belarusian women who I’ve never met. I place more importance on a future together than a date but happy to pay for a date however what Neil says about requests for £5000 is not uncommon with some girls which is about a years wage in Russia I presume for some


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Neil

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Hello Olga we communicated mostly by email but a few times by phone


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Neil

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Natalja thanks! What you have said also helps me to understand a little better, I get the feeling that there is a little cultural difference and that over here we would be inclined to think that if all the photos of are of a woman in attractive clothes and looking fabulous in the best settings then we would suspect that they are ‘too good to be true’ it is why I said in my original post that sometimes some nice but normal photos of everyday activities helps show a person for what they are.


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Galina

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Dаvid. Do not hurt the girls from Eastern Europe . Those who ask a lot of money from foreign men and whom men have seen only in the photo, can not always be girls in the photo . In General, it is possible that this is a group of men .It is impossible to judge all representatives of the country by one failure . 

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Elena, 57 y.o.

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Лично меня ни кто и ни когда не танцевал. Не надо всех в кучу. Русские мужчины, по вашим словам все меркантильные. Может хватит позорить своих мужчин. Мы же выходим за них замуж, рожаем детей, наверно и мы сами такие же.


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Neil

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Sweet Tatyana, I am glad you feel my positive mood, and I feel happy that I made you smile and I want you to know that I would never judge anyone purely on their clothes, I would feel terrible about doing so. I would feel so proud to have a beautiful well dressed woman such as you at my side but I would feel just as proud if you were simply dressed .....we have a couple of sayings that the clothes do not make the man/woman and that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Do you also have these? So you see I would never draw conclusions based on only a little glimpse at someone. Over here we are taught as young boys to always treat a lady with the utmost respect and we would be slapped by our own parents if we didn’t, I don’t know if it is the same in the Ukraine and Russia but a man does not dare to ever hit a woman over here he would probably be beaten senseless! Even by his friends! I am sorry if I gave you the wrong impression of me and I feel glad that you have changed your mind. I feel that you are really a very beautiful caring person and that is why I can understand that you defended your fellow countrywomen. I am optimistic and I am a happy guy despite all odds. Maybe I should see if I can find a photo of me smiling for my profile ...unfortunately I do not have many and whenever I take a selfie they always seem to have a look of concentration on my face, I am terrible at this, but for you my sweet Tatyana I will try. I hope you have a great evening too....although given the three hour time difference you may be in bed by now! Haha

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