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Jason, 54 y.o.

United States

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Are Ukrainian and Russian women looking for a man with money like northAmerican

I am a simple man not rich not driven by money. I find American women very shallow. They tend to want men with money and looks. Are Ukrainian and Russian women the same?

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Nira, 42 y.o.

Russia

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Thank you for the question. I would like to answer now.
No, on the one hand, Russian and Ukrainian women are not like that . They of course want to have financial stability, but money is not the center of their universe. But usually they realize a problem. They want to live with the man , they love. And in your case, it means that they need to know that there is a chance to move to you. And for this some money are needed. The visa of the bride or wife, some travelling to each other, maybe to move the child of the woman - all this needs some money.

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Jason, 54 y.o.

United States

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Thank you just wondering are most of the women able to and willing to help with these costs?

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Tim, 40 y.o.

United States

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I'm not a RU/UA woman but, in my humble opinion, they're like women (and men) from anywhere; some care a lot about money and some don't. Some want a lavish lifestyle and some are content to live modestly. You could say the same thing about American women. I realize that's a broad answer but you're generalizing an entire group of people (American women) and then asking people here to generalize an entire other group (RU/UA women).

As Nira somewhat alluded to though, the very nature of "international dating" is expensive. Trips half way around the world several times a year (or more) doesn't usually come cheap and it will only be more expensive if you find your love and decide to move her to the US, so finances are a very legitimate concern.

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Irina, 52 y.o.

Ukraine

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Jason,
Not only women from Russia want to be sure their future husbands from other countries have enough money to have a decent life but American government wants such thing as well.
An American citizen who wants to marry a woman from another country has to meet a certain financial USCIS requirement. It means you must have a stable income enough to support yourself and your future foreign wife.
I would advise you to get familiar with this information on USCIS site to make sure you are qualified to file a petition for Fiancee visa - the only legal way of bringing your future wife to the USA to marry you.


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Kristina


Hi Jason.
The ability to help with all the necessary costs and the willingness to do it are two different things. In my country having an average salary I'll need to save up money for about 4-5 months to buy a one-way ticket to the USA. Taking this fact into consideration do you find it reasonable? Should a woman spend her life saving up money because one day she might meet an American? I don't think so.
Before a man registers on an international dating site he should Google what salaries we have here/how we live/what we expect from a man. If you marry a woman from abroad you take responsibility for her in any relation. Besides you need to remember that English is not her native language. So when she comes to the USA you'll be the only person she'll be able to rely on.
Now let's think about the things your future wife will need.
1. Language. If her English is not good you'll need to pay for courses/tutoring because without knowing a language she won't be able to work.

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2. Education. To get a job she'll need a degree. So you'll need to pay for the evaluation of her documents OR for an "entire" degree if the education she's got here doesn't match American standards. There's a possibility in the USA when a company pays for education after a year of work. But to get such work she'll need a good knowledge of language.


3. So let's imagine she has all of these (which will be great). Before she comes to the USA you'll get a fiancee visa for her. Notwithstanding the fact that it's costly, getting such visa can take up to 9 months. To get this visa you'll need to meet in person at least one time, have pictures of both of you together, proof that the marriage is not fictional (these are e-mails, messages, phone calls). After you get this visa you'll have 90 days to marry.
4. You get married. You'll need to order documents for her. Health insurance, social security number, driving license, etc. If she doesn't have driving license you'll need to pay for a driving school as well.
5. A car. I guess everyone in the US drives a car. Your future wife will need it too. I'm not telling you about expensive cars. But still she'll need it. When she moves to your place you just won't have time to take her everywhere she needs, because you'll lose your salary. For now I mean ONLY appointments that will be connected with the legalisation of her status in the US. What if she'll want a baby? She'll then need a car to go to the hospital. It's just an example. But of course she'll have other needs.
6. These needs are: clothes, shoes, cosmetics. She can't (and not because she doesn't want it, but because there are restrictions in the weight of luggage) bring everything she has/needs. So you'll need to take care about such stuff too.
7. I've forgotten about car insurance. Its cost depends on state, but obviously you know it.
8. Travelling. Your future wife will want to visit her parents/relatives/sisters/brothers/even children. And she'll not just want it, she'll need it.
A woman from abroad will change all her life for you. She'll need to get used to another lifestyle/food/culture/attitude towards everything. Your life will change too. But it's a woman who'll have to adapt, to learn, to get used to another reality.
As for money most women here won't be able to pay for everything they'll need during the first year or even two years, and not because they don't want it but because they can't. And I don't think there exists a woman that will start to work in another country from the very first day.
So the thing is not that we look for money. We look for stability and support. Our women are very loving and caring. In marriage if you have problems with work/money our women support men, they work, they cut down on their expenses, they're loyal and understanding. But to get such a woman you need to be ready to take responsibility for her in any respect, in international dating the main issue is finance. Unfortunately.


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Serdar


Jason, hi, Although it is hard to make general statements as you did and as Tim pointed out, but I  agree with you that I also find, unfortunately, American women very shallow. I spent several months to find an American girlfriend both in normal day to day life and also in dating sites, but they just care for the athletic looks and tall height and if you have money or not. For example you can be average in all categories but can have a super career and a very well educated man, they do not care for those nice qualities in general. A lot of women in American dating sites have told me that they really do not care about a man's career and education and intellectual qualities. IF a man brings 100 thousand US dollars per year, whether it is from scientific and space explorations in Mars, or from selling illegal drugs, or some other job, 90 percent of the American women I talked to said they do NOT care "what the source is" as long as you manage to bring 100 thousand US dollars per year. I have observed and been in those situations many many times. So that is very common among the women in the US. Most American women are after an "eye candy" and good money! 

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On the other hand, for the eastern European woman things are a bit different. In general I can say that the Eastern European women usually care "less" for money. It is of secondary or even tertiary importance for the majority of the Eastern European women because most of them have seen some kind of economic hardships in their country sometime in their lifetime. So they can be happy in a more "modest life style" as long as the "basics" are covered. 

 

OK now what do they care more: They respect and like a highly intellectual mind a lot. if you have a good education or have educated yourself somehow, they will respect you for that. And they  care about things like "you work hard to provide a better life" for your wife and kids; to give them a better education, better housing, better health-care and better food etc. They do appreciate the "caring, provider, and giving nature" in men. But this will be based on your efforts and dedication, and how passionate you are towards your wife and kids. Do you care for her comfort and her needs? Do you genuinely try to improve their comfort and well being? How attentive you are towards your wife and the kids? Do you really listen to her and try your best to understand her? They will take a notice of your efforts, intentions and care immediately.

 

For the short term, the other posters have already mentioned the fact that you need to be able cover the initial expenses of international travel (1000 USD air fare per travel for yourself and say 400-1000 US dollars for hotels, food, gifts etc for a week to ten days. so about 1500-2000 per travel per person) plus the expenses of her to come and see you, or have a vacation somewhere together elsewhere. Then you need more to start a life together... if she has kids you will need to think about the school, and this and that...

 

From purely financial point of view,  You should at least try to match things up, and "cover the basics".  And believe me that is "not" a lot compared to what an American woman would need and want... But the point I am trying to make is that you have to put more effort and care in understanding her, her needs and her well being. And be attentive and have a "providing and giving" character even though you can not bring a lot in terms of money.  

 

best of luck in your search...

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Tim, 40 y.o.

United States

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Excellent post, Kristina, and very well said!


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Kristina

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Thank you, Tim  

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Eric, 75 y.o.

Netherlands

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Jason ,

Some of the women , have already given you , some really good advice.But , there is more to this , that meets the eye.

I understand , that this is just a general question.To me , it sounds , as if you have , already , got to the decision , that an American woman , is not your choice.

The next question is , how do you will get into contact , with a possible , candidate from EE or from Russia ?

You understand , that this is not going to be easy.And , when you have found someone , you will at least , have to visit her in person!!

It may take , a second visit , and , then , it may not be certain , that you two , will be compatible , with each other.

Of course , it will be easier , and cheaper , if you can communicate / correspond , via Skype , Whatsapp or , whatever programm.

Have you ever been to EEurope , or Russia ??What do you know , about these countries , and the people`s life , over there ??

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Do you know , what is important , to them ???

Also understand , that feminism , is finding it`s way , to EE and Russia.The , younger generation , is growing up , with more , and better vieuws , of the Western world.

And , their vieuws on life , and the expectations , for the future , will be affected , by what they learn , from the information , that they can get.

Still , you can have a chance , to find a genuine , traditional women , in these countries.
But , as time goes by , it will be a bit harder.

In general , these women , are friendly , understanding , attentive , and patient.
Treat them , with respect , and behave like a real gentleman.

Also , realize , that , a possible candidate , will want to come visit you , to see , in what circumstances , you live.
In which city or village you are.

How life is over there.What your life looks like.
How , you are , as a person , in daily life , in your own local habitat.

She will observe this , and will base her evaluation , on these facts.

So , all in all , this intenational dating , is not something , that you just , will do , just for the kick of it.

If you know , what I mean !!

You will have to put money , into this.And the outcome , is not clear.
And , there is no guarante , that you will succeed.

It may take , some time - or some years, to find the woman of your dreams.

So , how determined , are you ??

Hope this answers ,some of your questions

Eric


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Marina


Tim, Sam, Eric, thank you for your answers. You talk like a true gentleman.Actually this is a very serious topic. If a man wants a serious long relationship, he needs to know this information. Most women on the site not looking for money and looking for love, understanding, mutual support. Most want to work in a new country. But we need your support and attention. It is very difficult to adapt in a new country. Special thanks to Christine for full details.

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Irina, 52 y.o.

Ukraine

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Jason,
You asked for advise and people spent time and helped you. You visited the site the last couple of days but did not even bother to say polite "Thank you". I wonder if you find this quality of yours attractive to women (and not only to them)?

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Eric, 75 y.o.

Netherlands

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Marina ,

You are welcome.And , I agree with you , that it is difficult , for AnEE or Russian woman , to get used to a new life , in a
foreign country.

So , it is of the ultimate importance , that she , knows , understands , believes and is 100% sure , that her man , will
stand by her , and be the person , on who she can rely , for ALL of the issues , which may arise.

And , I don`t need to mention this , but just to point out , that a good communication , will be of vital importance , in these situations.

So , how good is your Russian ... ?
(I`m a bit behind with my lessons) ((((


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Marina

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Eric, thank you for your answer. You speak very true words. My Russian is very nice))

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Jason, 54 y.o.

United States

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Thank you all for you impute. Upon reflection my question was to vague. And general. I found the responses helpful as to what it dose involve monetarily if I do connect with a women from this site. Thank you again all. An wish the best of luck to you all in finding that special some one

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Liza, 61 y.o.

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вам нужна девушка 20лет?Зачем ей мужчина в возрасте бедный!Такой брак обречен на разлуку! 


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Olga


Нам нужен мужчина с характером и с поступками , воспитанный и ответственный.


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Eva


нет для русских женшин самое главное чтоб их любили .ценили . заботились и уважали ДЛЯ них семья очень важный фактор 

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Olga, 38 y.o.

Russia

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Dear Jason. I very hope, that not, but expirience said "yes, the most of them" but it's not meaning "all". And it's looks like sickness that goes around the world. Everyone looking for beautiful life, but now it needs too much time or resources (material and moral) and money - it's the fastest way to be "happy". More problems we have- more money we want, isn't it? Most of us forgot, that we can found happiness in simply things with people without billions in a bank , but it's very sweet - to have billions in a bank.
Sorry 4 my grammar mistakes  haven't practice  


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Terrance

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Irina, the USCIS income requirement for sponsoring a fiance visa is quite minimal - 125% of US poverty level (about $20,000 annually for a household of 2). In America, this could be categorized as an entry level wage, and in most circumstances would be insufficient for the purpose of supporting a foreign spouse.

 

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Irina, 52 y.o.

Ukraine

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Terrance,
Yes, I know this. You will be surprised to know that some men in the USA who are looking for women from other countries cannot even meet this minimal requirement. One of my girlfriends 10 years ago married a man whose parents became his cosigners for K-1 visa because his own income was not enough for this. She wanted to leave Russia and she had no idea about poverty in America. She found out about it very fast after arriving to the USA...


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Serdar

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I personaly think that, in the US anything below 36 thousand dollars annual gross income (before taxes) is kind of the too little of an income level for a couple to have an acceptable life, and about 48 thousand gross is needed to have a modest to comfortable life but nowhere near great! And the cost of living will significantly depend on the location/state, and whether this is in a big city or in a rural area, or in a small town.

For your information 36 thousand annual gross income before taxes means you will have about 2000-2400 dollars per month NET after all the taxes are paid off. It is hard to say an exact number as it will vary depending on the state and if there are any dependants or not.


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Inna


Везде есть женщины, и такие, и другие. В пещерах женщина оценивала мужчину по куску мамонта, который принес. В современном мире женщина на подсознании оценивает мужчину по тому, как он может прокормить семью. Есть мужчина с нереализованным потенциалом. Но с появлением женщины мужчина раскрывается. Начинает зарабатывать и может прокормить семью. А есть просто не способные мужчины. Найти же мужчину с потенциалом и вместе реализовать его интереснее, чем прийти на все готовое. Но переезд, виза и другое - это должны быть общие затраты или затраты мужчины.

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Yulia, 46 y.o.

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Есть мужчины, которые на всю жизнь так и остаются - "с высоким потенциалом", не факт, что он реализуется, причины могут быть разные: обстоятельства не сложились (у меня есть знакомый - маляр, хотя начинал учиться в медицинском, но родители заболели и ему пришлось работать, а потом уже не до учебы стало) или просто не способен работать, да мало ли. Не факт, что все старания жены помогут реализовать потенциал, поскольку иногда, к сожалению, за высоким словом "потенциал" скрываются только амбиции и видимость способностей, которые начальник не увидел-не оценил и т.п.


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Salvador

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Even at mexico, north women here behaves as the same you said, it does not matter who are you, only wants money and nothing more... I have that experience


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Serdar

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In the US a lot of women also just look for the very good-looking tall athletic man. He can be a really bad person but it doesn't matter... most want the super good-looks... and many many others, as you said, are after the wealth and money! It has been a huge disappointment and waste of time for me to try to find a nıce girlfriend in the US.

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Olga, 47 y.o.

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Hello,Sam )))) You know  I've met lots of men in my life by different ways , but no one of them looked for unbeautiful woman    Same here on the site - men look for really younger beautiful women , good educated , sweet character, without kids ext   

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Yulia, 46 y.o.

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birds of feather flock together.

Если женщина не обращает на Вас внимание, значит это не Ваша женщина. Не верю, что в Америке все мужчины миллионеры с голливудской внешностью, может быть 1%. 99% - это обычные люди с обычной внешностью и обычной зарплатой, допустим даже 90%. Простая математика: сейчас в США проживает 100 миллионов. Предположим, половина на половину. Итак, 90% * 50 миллионов = 45 миллионов (обычных мужчин). Если женщины выходят замуж только за 10% из всего мужского населения (богатых и красивых), то получается, что 45 миллионов женщин в США не замужем.

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Olga, 55 y.o.

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А вам самому деньги не нужны? Мужчины еще более меркантильные люди . И вы сейчас этим постом это подтверждаете. Мы притягиваем тех, кем сами являемся по сути внутри себя!) Чтобы в нашу жизнь приходили нужные люди,начинать надо с себя. Да,русским женщинам нужны деньги в числе всех земных радостей!)


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Adam


All over the world people are the same, and different all at once. In general women want to be sure they are taken care of. Not every woman cares that you have 12 cars and a mansion but every woman wants to know you're stable, can provide and that they won't have to worry about day to day needs all the time. You don't need to be rich. You just need to have a stable job and the ability to take care of yourself and them as well. And even then you'll find several women don't want even that, they want to work and support themselves.

Bottom line - much like the USA, women around the world are all different. But to have any hope, just like in the USA, you need to be stable and be a provider. Also, speaking in terms of international relationships - moving is extremely expensive. Visiting to meet each other in person is extremely expensive. The legal and physical process takes time and money. You're going to be footing that bill, you can't expect them to. And if they see that you can't or don't want to, naturally they'll move along because they don't want to talk online forever.


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Nataliy


Здравствуйте Джейсон. Люди все разные и на Украине и в России есть женщины которым важен финансовый статус мужчины, его счёт в банке. Но много и таких которые хотели бы жить с хорошим, честным человеком. На деньги нельзя купить друзей, любовь и счастье.

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