Men & women
Bible Deuteronomius 22-13-21: Bible discriminates women! For Doug
If the young bride is not was not found in the state of virginity, then they shall bring out the entrance to the house of his father and the men of her city shall stone, so he dies, because he has wrought folly in Israel, in dishonoring his father's house. Put away the evil from among you.
Russian woman read all and take care! I do not invent anything! This is The Bible!
Tatiana
Уважаемый Борис. Почему Вы не пишите по-русски?
Ведь Вы прекрасно знаете этот язык)
Tatiana
Olga
Yes, I can also say that statistic given above is true. But unfortunately it concerns far from only situation in Russia, although in Russia, of course, it is especially terrible. Even domestic violence law is absent in Russia. Actually so called civilized countries have the same problems but simply some disguised by relatively progressive laws (such laws, of course, are good but it is impossible to change people’s minds only with the help of laws because gender stereotypes are fixed hard on the level of archetypes, first of all by religious dogmas). For example, even in USA where the system of fighting with domestic violence is developed rather well, about 2,000 women die from this violence every year. In Russia this characteristic is 6-7 times more.
Even in western countries equality of women’s and men’s rights is only the myth that is very convenient for most of men because justifies further using of women’s resource. Not many men are ready to admit that inequality still exists in very harsh forms and to contribute to improving the situation, at least on the level of own family.
Recently I read an interesting article:
THE GLOBAL GENDER GAP REPORT 2013
http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2013/#=
In Russian:
КАРТА МИРА: ГДЕ ЖЕНЩИНАМ ЖИВЕТСЯ ЛУЧШЕ ВСЕГО?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2013/10/131024_100women_map_clickable.shtml
«Исландия признана ведущей страной в плане гендерного равноправия пятый год подряд.
Рейтинг, основанный на данных Всемирного экономического форума (ВЭФ), означает, что в Исландии женщины получают равный доступ к системам образования и здравоохранения, чем где бы то ни было в мире. Они также имеют больше возможностей, чем женщины в других странах, полностью участвовать в политической и экономической жизни своей страны.
Во Всемирном докладе 2013 года по гендерным проблемам за Исландией следуют другие страны Северной Европы, такие как Финляндия, Норвегия и Швеция. РОССИЯ В ОБЩЕМ РЕЙТИНГЕ ЗАНИМАЕТ 61-Е МЕСТО.
В целом гендерный разрыв в 2013 году сократился, и улучшение ситуации наблюдалось 86 из 136 исследованных стран, которые представляют 93% мирового населения. Однако, по словам одной из авторов доклада, Саадии Захиди, "ИЗМЕНЕНИЯ ПРОИСХОДЯТ СЛИШКОМ МЕДЛЕННО".
Вы можете сравнить положение женщин в различных странах, как в целом, так и в отдельных сферах, в том числе, в образовании, трудоустройстве и политике, с помощью интерактивной карты.
ИНТЕРАКТИВНАЯ КАРТА
Общие данные
Здравоохранение
Образование
Экономика
Политика
Разрыв между полами
Семь стран Северной Европы находятся в первой десятке. Великобритания - на 18-м месте; США - на 23-м»
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The obvious examples are in particular pieces of modern art such as popular Swiss artist HR Giger’s works full of pathological eroticism. You can also look at famous works of another artist: http://cat-gekata.livejournal.com/187010.html
(«Современное искусство» как отражение культуры гендерного насилия») or recall the wide spread occurrence of the Japanese “art” of Niatomori in western countries now. In this art the table and the plate for sushi is a naked woman’s body, ideally the body of a virgin. It is considered correct that the woman’s body introduces much special energy to the food. Everywhere (both in some ugly modern art and in biblical plots) a woman is an object whereas a man is, of course, a subject. The definition _dehumanization_ is the most appropriate here in my opinion. Such things as domestic violence etc. are simply consequences of a huge centuries-old mind distortion. Maybe it is time to change something at last?
Boris
My Moogs are of the contemporary series - standard Moog analogue oscillators and filters, but also able to store patches. Also very pitch-stable. So I am very happy with those.
You sure, you want to invite an Italian guy to a Pizza? Maybe better some southern T-Bone steak?))))
Yes, Tom, you are much smarter than me and I am stunned by your knowledge and brilliance...and other things...but, you are not smarter than Boris! ))) I am aware of the thousands of biblical absurdities about which you have no comprehension, but I also know there is still time for you to get up to speed! )))
Elena, I love your picture! So precious. I remember holding my son for the first time; he was born at 6:05pm and weighed 6lb.8oz. I held him in one hand, simply amazed at this incredible gift. He arrived exactly one year following the death of my father; we brought Karl home on Christmas Eve and Christmas was never the same again. How could anyone believe something so incredible and breathtaking just happened by itself? There was the proof for me...
Boris
Если хочется писать Дагу, лучше по Английском. Я тоже думаю с Томмасо.))
Dar
Dear Janho you had been mistaken by some strange stories.
Come to Poland my friend to prove yourself how wrong your statement is.
Poland is catholic since 966 A.D.
P.S. Slavic does not mean Orthodox.
Olga
Getting it right! I am also convinced of the existence of God, just as a mother ... and I was baptized consciously in 28 years, along with young son
Dar
Sorry Janho, I shoud have written:
Poland is christian since 966 A.D. and stays catholic since 1054 which is symbolic date of the schism.
Have a good one!
Olga
«Only years later, I understand, my mother knew very well what he is, but it also provoked him- flirting with men... I not want to offend women … but now I see how … many women provoke their behavior and cause a man to such behavior». // I am sorry but this idea about provoking role of a woman if a man beats her seems shocking to me. If a woman began to flirt with other men and so on, a man has complete right to leave such woman (but of course still caring about their children if they exist) but _never_ he has any right to _beat_ the woman. Woman is not a property of a man although many men dream about it.
It reminds me the popular and convenient for men idea of accusation for women in short skirts who were raped. In a civilized country if even an absolutely naked woman goes for a walk at night the first man who has right to come to her must be a policeman who offers her politely to pay a fine for forbidden act in the public place. In any such case violator is guilty and responsible although a potential victim is responsible for trying to avoid violence toward her (unfortunately, often it is impossible) – but these are _different_ kinds of responsibility.
In such case maybe to admit that shops with brightly decorated shop windows and people in good clothes also “provoke” robbers and so the shops and such people are guilty being robbed and poor robbers are only have been “provoked”?
The world where people think that “incorrect” in their eyes behavior (I do not mean racism etc. but simply flirt, besides usually men do not limit themselves in such and many other things not being beaten by women) of others justifies beating these others who decided too bravely that they have own right to think and decide, if even incorrectly sometimes, is an awful world that will inevitably destroy itself.
Бытовое убийство.На фоне ревности.Это страшная тема.Главное женщины,которых убили, неоднократно обращались в правоохранительные органы.но там никакой реакции-задают вопрос-было ли нападение с каким либо оружием.Разве после нападение с оружием кто-нибудь выживает?Почти никто. То есть они понимали и знали,что их убьют.
А как много зубов Вы считаете допустимым выбить мужу за флирт с другой?Или сразу поступить как одна пылкая дама и отрезать все к черту?Ее,кстати,оправдали.Я так полагаю,флиртующие напрашиваются на развод,а не на то,чтоб вторая половина махала кулаками.
Я знаю лично женщину,которую муж убил 2 года назад.Она ушла от него к другому.Он начал ее преследовать.Она обращалась в полицию 2 раза.Его брали под стражу и отпускали.Очень красивая и обаятельная женщина,прекрасный тембр голоса и владение,при том без специального образования.В общем талант.Он выследил и нанес ей до сорока ударов ножом.
Svetlana
Let me disagree with you , Doug As for comparisons to the progressive mind - you clean amerikan position ! Smart man - a highly educated , with a wide range of knowledge coming from the mind / it does not involve honesty and good intentions of actions / and this it does not say he is very intellegentn worthy , kind, loving and it does not mean that having a deep knowledge of the Bible and the world, he believes , makes this world a better place and they have a bright soul.Our Tom is not just smart, he is Wise , he sees , experiences , helping people , trying to make people think and reflect on our lives , our thoughts and actions, even on this site , he lit a spark - it makes the world better !
Tata
...и мужчины,дети,старые люди - они так же не защищены.
Таким образом, это вопрос не патриархального уклада,а следствие социального, морального и экономического отставания.
Janho
It happens in South Africa as well, but the law over here is very protective of women and children, we even have a standing committee in Parliament and a Ministry devoted to it. The Minister of Women, Children and people with disability proposed a law and it was passed by Parliament that gives men that abuse their wive and or children jail time, the wive doesn't even need to complain at the police, a neighbor or family member can complain and the man will be locked up. So the wide spread occurrence of this is strange and alarming.
Tata
Если избитая женщина или мужчина обратится в полицию, то откажут.Так как понятие "домашний конфликт" это не насилие.
Это следствие несовершенства правозащитной системы,и ничего более.Если б у нас при первом крике жены супруга забирали в кутузку,а за оскорбление был бы солидный штраф,все сразу бы стали бы вежливы(вижу по нашим дорогам,где сейчас чудненько машины пропускают пешеходов,боясь милиции.)
Svetlana, usually when someone disagrees with another, they define with what they disagree. I am unable to perceive which remark troubles you, so I must ask.
Are you disagreeing with my wanting to hear Boris’s music or my praise for his intellectual agility? Being a bit knowledgeable myself, I recognize Boris’s keen insight and also his quality as a gentleman. Beating Boris in an intellectual discussion is pretty tough, though. For one reason, Boris has the truth on his side and truth has an inherent value in itself.
I mentioned Tom seems to finally be studying the Bible (albeit possibly for wrong reasons). It appears to me he is, but perhaps you have other information. Do you disagree with that?
My remarks about my son and my personal belief that his birth, as well as those of other children, is a wonderful miracle and proof to me that there is something greater than ourselves that we cannot see? Did you disagree with this? Svetlana, that is my opinion, and there’s little way to disprove that.
If your disagreement was not with one of those remarks, perhaps my statement that Tommaso is much smarter than me, but not smarter than Boris! This is Tom’s post and I have made no other statements here. Please tell me precisely with what you disagree, dear Svetlana? I am interested. Also, did you indicate you believe I am dishonest or have bad intentions. Perhaps I have I misunderstood. Please tell me why? What do you think are my bad intentions?
Most of my recent remarks to Tom have pertained to monopolizing the forums to spread his atheist agenda, while pretending he is being badgered by believers. Svetlana, people would rather talk about other things. I do not begrudge Tom his beliefs, or lack of them. Tom’s statements regarding Christianity do not really bother me; many people do not believe and I don’t think they must be convinced. Please realize, I do not introduce God into these discussions; Tom does. If you notice this entire thread was posted in an attempt to bait me into an argument. I don’t even respond to all his remarks.
Tom was unaware prominent US atheist, Madelyn Murray O’Hair, had been indicted for fraud and theft of millions of dollars from her organization and that common belief holds that her associates were responsible for her death. Neither did Tom know that her son, Bill, director of her group, had converted to Christianity and remains an outspoken critic of his mother. Tom also repeatedly posted his belief that the famous theologian and missionary to Africa was an outspoken atheist. I cannot correct everything, but I simply tried to help a little. Where is the harm in that, Svetlana? Of course, Tom has made several unkind comments but I am not driven to repeatedly confront him; I am tolerant.
Svetlana, I do agree with you that Tom is quite brilliant and probably a gifted engineer. You may see some of his magnificent boats on YouTube; true masterpieces. (Perhaps he will repost the links.) All this back and forth is in good fun. Nothing Tom could say would cause me permanent anger; these are merely on-line discussions and opinions. As a friend, I simply suggest Tom pursues this too enthusiastically and should really abandon the topic. If Tom were my best friend here in the US, I would treat him no differently than my best friend here. I would look Larry directly in the eye and advise him, “Never take a knife to a gunfight”, and Larry would smile. )))
Scusa io sono stupido e capisco solo le cose semplici. Quelle complicate le lascio capire ai furbi. Ma di idioti come me ce ne sono parecchi: Gandhi, Bertrand Russel, Von Braun, Einstein, Voltaire, Beaudelaire, Balzac, Socrates, Napoleon, Umberto Eco, Newton Woody Allen etc.
Tutti idioti convinti che la Bibbia sia un libro pieno di cose false e su cui non vale certo la pena di giurare!
Sono completamente d'accordo e credo anche che le religioni che per secoli hanno discriminato la donna, hanno contribuito al dilagare della violenza e del femminicidio!
Se gli uomini si fossero limitati al pensiero logico, razionale e basato sul pensiero puro, invece di seguire assurde religioni, spesso interpretandole anche male, un sacco di omicidi e di guerre si sarebbero evitate. Tra le religioni metto anche il "pensiero assoluto e unico" come il marxismo!
Carenze culturali, pensiero tradizionalista assurdo basato sul possesso delle persone!
Cose terrificanti di uomini che pensano che le donne non siano persone, ma oggetti da possedere. Anche per questo io sono contro il matrimonio! Non voglio possedere ed essere posseduto!
Elena
Doug,очень Вас понимаю!Сама парежила несколько подобных моментов.Вы правы,нельзя человека заставить верить в Бога.Просто однажды человек приходит к этому сам.Том ищет доказательства или опровержения Бога умом,а это должно быть в сердце!Соглассна с Вами,что некторые вещи насколько очевидны,что не нуждаются в доказательствах.Кстати,мне нравиться опыт общин отшельников а США.Никто же их не заставляет это делать. Просто люди понимают,что возврат к корням ,к Природе,к чистому сознанию --это единственный путь не деградировать окончательно.I'm with You!)
Grazie Svetlana, ma Doug ha una posizione calvinista. Ogni 5 minuti nomina dio come se dovesse essere il rimedio a tutto, la medicina miracolosa, il miracolo! Peccato che dio non risolve mai nulla per nessuno, tantomeno per lui. Più lo preghi e più lui si disinteressa di te! Perchè? Semplice: non esiste! Doug non ha nemmeno il suo biglietto da visita e si rifiuta di dimostrarmi che il suo conto in banca cresce quando lo prega! E allora? Che dio onnipotente e trascendente esisterebbe? Anche un idiota capisce che il mondo è fatto girare dai soldi e chi non ha soldi soffre la fale, le malattie, i disagi. Ogni cosa che fa l'uomo coinvolge il danaro, tutto! Non esiste proprio nulla che tu possa fare senza soldi!!! E allora perchè quel dio non ci manda soldi? Che onnipotenza ha? Per me non vale nulla, se c'è! E' un bluff! Non solo: dio è solo un pretesto usato da molti per ottenere soldi a scapito dei creduloni! Questa è la realtà! Tutto il resto sono pure fandonie!
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