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Paul, 57 y.o.

Canada

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Travel expenses

Why do women expect men to pay for everything? Travel expenses hotel, cab, or limo,translator, all bills for food, airplane flight, flowers food for transator, ect ect....... This is not a fair playing field ...While the woman pays nothing.... women will little or no money in. Relationships are give and take not one side taking all..............    

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Olga, 41 y.o.

France

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Абсолютно с вами согласна! Я думаю, что канадские женщины вашего возраста, живущие в вашем городе - это Ваша судьба!!!;-)


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Lyubov


Здравствуйте Пол,
На первый взгляд "каждый платит за себя" выглядит справедливо. Но давайте посчитаем  
Знаете ли вы, сколько стоит билет из Украины в Канаду, например? Месячная зарплата многих женщин в Украине составляет
1/4 часть стоимости этого билета. + расходы на визу, гостиницу, возможно, подарок для вас и т.д. А еще большой риск, что вы можете просто не понравиться друг другу!
Я не думаю, что кто-то из украинских женщин будет всерьез рассматривать поездку к вам на таких условиях, даже теоретически.
Поэтому если вы готовы приехать в восточную Европу (а это указано у вас в поиске), женщина с радостью оплатит свою чашку кофе, чтобы познакомиться с вами. В том случае, если вы категорически против угостить даму чашкой кофе  
Удачи вам в поиске! Но я согласна, что искать лучше в Канаде.

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Eric, 76 y.o.

Netherlands

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Paul ,

If I may say something to your question.First off , are you really considering , to find a wife/life partner in EE or Russia ?

If , yes , then are you interested , in their history , culture and traditions ?

When still , YES , do you know and/or understand , what these Slavic women expect from A MAN ?

What they expect from THEIR MAN ??

It is already said that the income in EE countries , is not the same as in rich Western countries.
So , there is already a certain boundary , to travel and or meet with foreign men , in other countries.

You should also understand , that in their tradition , it is the man , who should pay for everything.
This will not change , when you two are married !!!

EE women , will not like a man who is greedy or doesn`t want to take responsibility.

Because in the end , it will ALL COME DOWN TO THIS !

You want to have a family (life) and a relation.
Then you should know , what part , you must play to have a succesful and happy relation.

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If you didn`t read upon their culture and traditions , I strongly advice you to do so !

It may help , to save you , from embarrasing or awkward situations.

Wanting to date a Slavic woman is not easy for a foreigner.Unless you understand , what she expects from you.

Seing you asking that question here , I am not so sure , if you are ready , to go and date an EE woman.

Not until you really know , what to do and how to behave.

Eric

PS it is also considered , that a real man , will go to meet the woman first in her own city/country

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Elena, 38 y.o.

Russia

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Paul, let me to inform you some before to say abput what is "fair" or not. Do you know that salary in our countries is 100-200-300USD(not daily, as may be you could think, monthly!), well, may be 400-500USD sometimes and in the best case.

Then, could you tell me please, what % from these salary woman would need to give into yours relationships?(though relationships are not about money..but it is other question).

Then, do you know that in Russia and Ukraine(I don't know about Belarus and Asian countries, women from there could inform may be?) but salary of women less than salary of men and yes, for the same work company will pay to man usually 25% more than to woman. Is it fair how do you think? Is the same in Canada?

Usually women have children and very often fathers of their children don't pay nothing to help growing their chilren or help a bit.

Usually women need more cosmetics, clothes etc than men. You can go to markets and to compare how many products offered for men and how many for women.

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Also there bills, food etc etc nessesary to be paid regularly.

So the question again - what % from let's say woman 300USD she would need to pay for her travel experiences for meeting with you, for sure who is great and fair man?

 

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Olga, 47 y.o.

Russia

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+100005000

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Anastasia, 41 y.o.

Russia

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average salaries in EE, Russia, Belorus, Ukraine, Kazahkstan, etc. are much lower than in WE, the USA, Canada and other developed countries - fact.

marrying a woman from abroad, given that she moves to your country when you marry, would mean that she'll need your support, including financial -  fact.

(whether she'll be a housewife or a working wife, it's how you guys decide together, when you married and settled)

Re. relationships being a two way street - yet another fact.

and i don't think you have to pay for everything, like a limo, food for translator, for instance. to me it doesn't sound very fair.

yet, if it's a mutual desire to be together, somebody of you two should make an effort and learn the language of the other.

you can't keep talking via translator for ever, you know )

if it's too expensive for you to bring her in your country or to get to her city to meet, chose some other place together, which would be affordable for both of you, or work out a way how to share expenses not too make it too big of expense for both of you.

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and if it don't work out as you planned , please don't blame each other, saying that it costed you that much and didn't met your expectations, coz it's just low.

if both of you are not ready to invest both emotionally and financially, well maybe it's just not worth it...

afterall, it's a two way street, remember.... 

 

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Paul, 57 y.o.

Canada

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WOW I had NO idea women made so little money. I always read Ukrainian women so well educated and clever, it just made sense that education match there income levels. I dont have a problem paying money to buy a girl flowers or gifts or not certainly not coffee. My argument was with paying 100% of all cost, are you telling me Ukrainian women cant pay even 5 to 10 % of the cost?

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Paul, 57 y.o.

Canada

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Eric I didnt know of their tradition, nor did I know women made so little money... I type in google search and found out people in Ukraine make only $2000 to $ 5000 us per year is this true?

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Paul, 57 y.o.

Canada

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I didnt know women made so little money. So many women are well educated and they still make very little its not fair. Why is Ukraine like this, is it a depression?

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Nataliya, 47 y.o.

Russia

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Hello, Paul. I understand Your thoughts - "everyone pays for itself" is true, but... You're not looking for a wife not only outside of Canada, but in a very distant country. And You must understand that this will entail serious costs. Even if the woman will pay for flights, visa and hotel in Your country, later You'll have to take the costs of moving, and to pay her life in Your country for the first time - she will not be able to immediately find work in Your country. Therefore, You have to realistically assess your capabilities before looking for a woman in a distant country.

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Paul, 57 y.o.

Canada

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Yes it looks that way !! LOL

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Paul, 57 y.o.

Canada

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Men that dont pay for their kids and leave their poor x wife to pay for everything is very bad. I will punch this man in the nose for her. LOL Ukrainian women and Russian women many are well educated, smart, pretty, well dressed have nice clothes I just thought they were well off!!!I had no idea these women made so little money....but know I know..

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Nataliya, 47 y.o.

Russia

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Honestly, if a man demands that I visit him at my expense, I'll go... rest wherever I want. I can't build a plan on a serious relationship with a man who requires action from me, but don't want to do anything myself.
You live very far away. Tickets to Canada have a cost, which is very large for most women from Russia, Ukraine and other countries this site. Moreover, there are big problems with getting visa to Canada. I doubt there are many women who are willing to have these costs for to meet a man with whom the relationship can not happen. So I think You have to be willing to do independent travel to a country where the woman lives. But when You arrive, I think most women will gladly feed You delicious homemade food, show all the best in the city and will make other charges to the well to meet You. Local women are very hospitable. If a woman require payment for limousines, expensive restaurants and expensive gifts, maybe You should meet another woman. Believe me, there are far more good women than GOLD DIGGERS.


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Lyubov

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Самая распространенная причина непонимания между людьми - это отсутствие (или недостаток) информации. Я рада, что мы поняли друг друга  


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Julia


Dear Paul, you can can do a very fine gesture towards lady you like and would like to see - just take a plane and fly to her city. Believe me, it solve many problems - you avoid unpleasant questions about payment of tickets etc, you see this lady in person and can see if you attraction to her is real and mutual and you have a chance for a relationship.You demonstrate very respectful behavior and asnwer you this question if it is serious or not - helps you to avoid expensive travelling for no purpose.I am sure the lady will appreciate it. Acting like this you give a goid start for possible relationship and answer your own questions. And if you give something without expectations, you will receive something back, and it will be not a gold digger 

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Natalya, 59 y.o.

Ukraine

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I can tell you from my example - my seniority in Ukraine for 33 years. The government gives me for my labor pension in 2000 hryvnia per month = $ 75. You are an educated man, tell me, can I go to meet the man of my own money?


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Margaryta

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Добрый день. Да, это правда. Мы имеем такой уровень жизни. К сожалению, для нас.


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Serdar


Dear Paul; I will give you one example. I am currently working with a UKR-government owned-operated research and development labs in Kiev. The engineers over there are brilliant scientist and engineers mostyl from the Soviet era and they are mostly above 60-65 years of age. Most hold Doctor of Engineering (Electrical/electronics) or PhD in Applied Physics degrees or similar. Their "director" makes less than 600 dollars per month! Their chief scientist (70 year old genius) is only making 500 something a month. Equivalent of these senior scientists probably make 250Thousand USD annually in the US? at least 200K right ?

Also in this geography (draw a line from Wien, Austria to North pole, then include almost all the countries that are on the "east" of this line), "men" are expected to take care most of the expenses. Especially if you invite her to your home country, you "must pay everything". I highly recommend that you go and visit her first. Take her to a nice local restaurant and give your best effort to meet her and learn about their culture.

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Best of luck...


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Natalia

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Маргарита, пишите только о себе, а не о нас, всех женщинах Украины. Я ненавижу, когда начинают плакаться, какие русские или украинские женщины бедные овечки. Вас это не унижает?
Правильно Паул написал, одеваются лучше, чем в Европе, ездят одыхать на курорты, а как с мужчинами встречаться, так начинаются рассказы, какие они бедные.
Какая бы зарплата у Вас не была, это только Ваши проблемы.
Я это пишу и для Натальи, зачем здесь озвучивать свои пенсии, опять таки, себя унижать.
Скоро уже русских и украинок начнут к тайками сравнивать, которые выходят замуж за европейцев,только для того, чтобы те потом всю жизнь ее семье помогали.
Надо все делать по умному, чтобы мужчина сам захотел оплатить, а не брать жалостью.
Это мое мнение.

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Elena, 38 y.o.

Russia

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Наташа, а у Вас какой ежемесячный доход? Скажите же с гордостью. И Вы, встречаясь с мужчинами, платите  50на50?

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Liudmila, 52 y.o.

Germany

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Позвольте, Наташа, добавить. 

Если озвучивать свои доходы, то целесообразно уточнить, что указанной сумы может быть достаточно для жизни в своей стране, но не достаточно для разделения расходов на путешествие в страну мужчины 50 на 50.

Иначе у мужчин, не имеющих достаточной информации об уровне жизни, складывается впечатление, что женщины в Украине и России голодают и вообще голодрань подзаборная, только и ждущая возможности вырваться из страны. Так как им не понять как же жить на 250 долларов или 75, кто как пишет.

Мужчины же не знают что и коммунальные затраты и затраты на ежедневные нужды в наших странах не сопоставимы с их странами и значительно (впервые пожалела что нет в русском такой степени выражения сравнения как в итальянском языке с окончанием -issimo  😀  ниже.

А потом удивляемся и с чего это они думают, что осчастливили покупкой билета и женщина за это готова на все.

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Tatyana, 61 y.o.

Italy

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всегдашнее впечатление от ее рассказов -- мобильная девушка - необремененная заботами , скорей всего и работой
такой себе - вольный ветер  


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Natalia

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Нет, я не плачу, но никогда и не рассказываю мужчинам о своих проблемах, по крайней мере, до личного знакомства.О доходах мы можем с Вами поговорить один на один, так сказать, поплакаться, но мужчинам это не нужно знать, когда Вы только начинаете общение, поверьте мне.


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Lyubov

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Наталья, ваши пенсионные признания вызвали удивление! Для западного человека это скорее всего будет недоумением, почему женщина вашего возраста УЖЕ получает пенсию (в мире еще лет 10 надо активно работать). Получается так (во всяком случае это так выглядит), что вы недовольны пенсией $ 75, но при этом довольствуетесь этим и ничего не предпринимаете. По-моему, вы вводите мужчину в заблуждение   


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Elena

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Да, да, я тоже хочу ежемесячный доход, который будет позволять мне уезжать в другую страну и жить там месяцами, при этом платя 50/50! Наташа, где б такой доход найти? 😂😂😂😂

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Tatyana, 54 y.o.

Belarus

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Я тоже хочу получить ответ на этот вопрос. Как можно получать такие доходы ежемесячно, уезжать на месяцы в другую страну, платить 50/50, подарки привозить себе и родителям. Где найти такой доход???


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Natalia

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Татьяна, не нужно начинать копаться в моем белье. .
Я же не делаю предположения о Вашей жизни в Италии.  


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Natalia

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Да, вы правы, необременненая заботами, вольный ветер такой себе, и что дальше ?????    
Не всем же дана тяжелая жизнь, кому -то и легко живется )))).


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Natalia

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Читайте выше, Елена, я не плачу. И о моих доходах мужчины не знают, я не любитель поплакаться в желетку людям, в частности, мужчинам.
Ну, вот такие мужчины у меня, мы сами выбираем мужчн для себя.


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Nadezhda

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 Где найти такой доход???

На сайтах знакомств, конечно.  Где же еще можно найти такой доход, в смысле мужчин? Да и о какой работе может идти речь, когда женщины за год могут посетить нескольких мужчин, в смысле несколько стран  И никто из них не пишет, что плятят 50/50. Чтобы так платить, нужно зарабатывать. Так что, не достойный ежемесячный доход нужно искать, а заинтересованных  мужчин.  

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