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Rick

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Hello, I have been reading posts here for a few months and enjoy them all. I have decided to write and ask a question because there seems to be honesty and experience on this forum. I will ask first to forgive me if my actions have been ignorant in my search. I began a year ago in October. I am now 54, Caucasian, live in United States ( citizen ) and searched for a Slavic woman. My reason is because I have lost faith in American woman, I find it difficult to respect woman who is 200 lbs over weight , self centered and goes shopping in bed clothes. I realize not all are like this, but I see none like this in Eastern Europe. I also understand Slavic woman are very family oriented people besides being beautiful and smart.



I will make my story as short as possible but wish to give as much information so you can make an educated comment.

The woman is from Russia, in the east. She approached me on the dating site, I was very excited and the communication began swiftly. We communicated in email for about 5 weeks until she demanded a video chat. I was new to this, did not even know how to video chat. After a few tries it was successful video chat. We did video several times before the meeting. I told her within a few weeks of writing I would come in the spring, she responded that I could come sooner. I began to make plans, we discussed where and when. The meet took place in a major city in Russia in February instead of springtime. I struggled a little to come up with the money in advance because I did not want to go into debt for the trip. I paid for everything. She wanted me to send money so she could plan and purchase her own tickets. I took a chance and sent money. She needed personal things for the trip and needed money, I sent more money. One item she purchased was a suit case for $300.00 U.S. I thought this was a bit expensive to do with another persons money but I said nothing. I purchased a suitcase for $90.00. In total I sent $900.00 U.S. to her. We both flew into the city within an hour of each other and took a taxi to the hotel together. I purchased two rooms at a hotel in advance for 20 days. I also prepaid for opera and other various show tickets.
Now all was good. We got along great, we fell in love weeks before the trip even began. We ate at nice restaurants, traveled the city, went to shows and churches. I will say this was the best time of my life. The only things that concerned me during the trip are this.
1) the whole time we were together, even in the taxi from the airport she would not put her phone away. Constant messages and interruptions. I felt this was rude for as much effort I put into the meeting. I asked about this and her response was that there are people that do not know she is away from home. That people in Russia get jealous and cause problems. So she must stay in contact with them. By the end of the trip I know three of the four contacts that she stayed in touch with. A sister, a daughter and a friend ( woman ) in the united states. The fourth I never figured out or got to see.
2) During our stay at the hotel she would mention that she was getting sick, a cold. But this never stopped her from walking the city all day and night, shopping and sight seeing.
3) My money for the trip came from different sources and was deposited over time during our stay. Some days I would have several hundred dollars, as that got spent and I had to wait for the next deposit, money got a little tight. This became a big issue for her, even minor arguments and tears, but nothing real bad. Shopping got out of hand, we had to buy gifts for every person she and I knew, and I was watched very closely. Later I found out that this is done to look for expressions of greed? True or not? It felt like it. This type of shopping was not in my plans and I went a few thousand dollars over budget for the trip. The last day we were there I had a relative deposit $150.00 in my account so I would have money for my trip home. I told her I was going to the bank to exchange $50.00 for us to eat and have taxi fare. She demanded I exchange all of it. I ended up going home with $20.00 and very hungry.
3) On the day before we were to leave she began to cry and beg we stay for another week, I was able to stay till mid week, on a Wednesday. The morning we were getting ready to depart she mentioned she did not feel good and wanted to stay till the week end. I said no, we arrive together and we leave together. The ride to the airport was silent for the most part.
She did not seem or act very sick, so I assumed all was O.K. She did not demand to stay a few more days, she was O.K. we go together.
4) her flight left first for another big city, I departed 30 minutes later. My flights were very close so we could not stay in contact while traveling. Not until I got back to my house did I find out she stayed in another big city. She had claims of heart attack on landing and medical doctors at the airport denied her the ability to fly for two weeks. She said she had a friend who's parents had a house not far away and will stay with them. The following weekend ( three days later ) I found out she moved to her friends apartment, the only reason I found out is because the photos she sent me were a different flat. When I asked, She said the house was to cold so her friend let her stay at vacant apartment. In total she stayed for three weeks with claims of pneumonia. Half way into this stay are relation became strained over my doubts of honesty and over one night I tried to contact her. Every time I contacted her she responded with in a reasonable amount of time. This time she did not respond, to text, phone call disabled and video call disabled. Three hours later she said she was on phone with sister and did not get alarms of incoming calls.
5) After three weeks, she returns home and two weeks later says she is in hospital. She would never send a photo of herself in hospital but one or two very close photo in bed and one in bathroom, of her swollen hands from I.V. the one in bathroom was in her own bathroom. I know from other photos and this is true. She also said that the doctors let her out of hospital for Easter Sunday.
6) She stops video chat, since April we have done video chat maybe 12 times. I ask every week if we can, but it does not happen much. I am now at the point that I will not do it. If you take something away from me to punish me, I will remove it permanently. She also has stopped talking with me for days on end when I make her angry. I am not perfect. I do have a tendency to piss people off. I have also made accusations out of confusion, miscommunication and not understanding.
7) I have faithfully sent gifts, flowers, money every month since our meet.As far as this goes I am a nice a guy, I do not care about the money too much, or the gifts, I love her and care about her. ( Am I a fool? )
  in the past two months she dissipated for one week twice.One time was in the middle of a messenger chat. Two days later she sent a message saying she had a medical emergency and went to hospital in ambulance and would talk later. the following week end communication returned to normal. the other time she said I angered her and did not wish to communicate, this also was for about a week.
9) the whole time since our meet I have begged her to share her every day life with me, only to be told she is too busy most times. I offered to spend the summer in her city so we can build our relationship only to be denied and argue why I should not.
10) I recently sent $500.00 for a computer I promised her money for. ( I know, But I do not lie and do what I say I will do )I sent this money a month ago, it was in part so we can do Skype together. To this day she says she has no time to shop for it. She also now says that when she got sick on the flight last March it caused problems with her legs. First time I ever hear of this problem. She says she can not walk in the city to all the many stores and look at computers, it will have to wait. I have caused more problems by asking when will you get it. Now I do not even ask.
11) When we left our first meeting we were engaged to be married, I gave a ring I made myself as I am a jeweler. We talked about K-1 visa and agreed to to do this. Ever since April I have had many arguments over getting her to send the information needed to complete K-1 visa. Now I plan a trip to her city in October. To meet face to face. I have questions and need answers. We also agreed to work on K-1 and finish it. She denies me to stay at her apartment due to have to many dogs and no room for me. Even said she will not cook me a meal at her home and I can not go there because she does not want to hurt her reputation.
I will say that this experience has caused me much doubt. I have not been the perfect man. I do not understand all this because I do love her and I am faithful. I honor my word and always do as I say. Maybe I am a fool, maybe I act like child, maybe I think this is fantasy.
Now I will say that this experience has caused me doubt, I have accused her of things, I have been rude in words, not by intention but by translations. There is much to the story not told. Over 1000 emails, hundreds of messenger chats, a few hundred photos between each of us. There are times when things go well and communication is O.K.
I highlighted my concerns and will be happy to answer any questions you may have. Please respond.

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Salvador

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Thanks Olga, can you do the favor to explain how is Russian Etiquete???

I want to comment hilarious facts on my travels.

Women asked me in russian all the times (i am not fluent in yet).
I used to stole a kiss from women, but there it was different, women stole kisses from me

Even at passport control, the lady officer scanned my passport, checked it in deep detail, then suddenly looked at me and said in English " señor salvador, you are very handsome" and send me an air kiss thru the crystal.

Women helped me at moscow and a lot in SPB.

I love this "Russian Etiquette".

Please Olga, describe to me how is Russian etiquette.


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Ben

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You didn't offend anyone (unlike me, I tend to do that, but then - I'm famous for it).

It's certainly not your fault that this Praskovya didn't understand your post or can't handle numbers. (It explains many of her other posts and comments though).

 

As for your post:

The only line that I find worrysome is your "wish to fix any wrong ... to be together in all things and ... give 100%.

Do you seriously and in all earnesty still intend to run after her?

To me this sounds like 1st class masochism. Your intention would be like flogging a dead horse.

 

There are women who'd be queuing from Kamtchatka to Moskva and who would walk from Siberia to St. Pete to be with a guy like you!

 

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."

Dedicate your precious time to those who willingly share theirs with you. Reply to who care and discard those who are ignorant, arrogant and full of spite.

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Your attitude to others is "too perfect" - be a bit - just a bit! - more appreciative of yourself, and you surely get there: when you notice that women don't reply, don't write messages of their own accord, only respond with one-liners, smilies or read messages, but don't respond, then comfortably let them go.

"You don't know what you've got until it's gone" a famous saying goes. Let them decide, if their life is better with you in it or not. You're certainly not the only one who loses and unless you've been masterfully fooling all of us (which I seriously doubt!), you're the kind of man any woman should, cherish, value and hold in the highest esteem. You're ready to receive a princess and treat her like a queen. Very well! Then let her treat you also as a king (and not a cheap pawn).

And thus I rest my case,

All the best to you for you really deserve it!

 


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David

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Sounds like your ex-husband didn’t trust you. Maybe he thought he would lose you to another man and wouldn’t be able to shower you with €300 samsonite luggage! At least he had a good sense of smell and could deferenciate between Armani and Paco Robane!!!  


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Rick

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She is in medical field, nurse.Claims that she does not speak of our relation to friends because Russian woman are jealous. They cause problems. Will not let me post photos of our trip together from Peters on my face book page because of powerful ex husband and he will cause her problems. She has two or more face book pages but only lets me know of one and be on that one. Only myself, her and daughter on that face book. I know of the other because of a screen shot she sent of front page on her phone, it had a face book icon with 17 messages, but the page I am on no one else.
When I asked what hospital she was in I was accused of miss trust with more time without communication. The last three days in hospital she sent google map of it with name.
One more example of a thing that came light over the past few weeks. When she disappeared for a week with claims of being in hospital. I sent flowers to her home, no request of photo. I was sent a photo of the flowers at the desk of her daughter at her work place. Said she will deliver to my girl friend at hospital after work. On the K-1 my woman gave the name and address of place she works. Says her and her daughter work at the same place, medical building. I saw a name on the daughters uniform, I translated it and googled map location. It is not the same place I was given for K-1 information.

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I ask, am I an non trusting man, Or do I have problems with trust? I do not know but many things make me curious to ask, and to ask causes me problems.

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Olga, 48 y.o.

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Я хочу пожелать вам удачи. Мне кажется что ваши ошибки которые вы сделали это то что вы только говорили чего вы хотите и озвучивали ваши планы и желания, но не спрашивали ее. И вы копили ваши обиды. Хотя проще решать все сразу,  мягко и деликатно можно спросить, узнать, обсуждать

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Rick, would you like me to be brutally honest with you or do you know all the answers to your questions already?


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Olga

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he is 54

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Оля, я перечитала ту часть, где Рик пишет об их отбытии из СПБ. Похоже на отмазку.
Факты:
- все предыдущие дни никаких явных признаков болезни, кроме ее слов. Дама скачет бодрым конем по магазинам и расторанам, раскрутив кавалера на несколько тысяч долларов СВЕРХ бюджета (сколько же был бюджет?)
- Дама просит остаться еще на несколько дней, он соглашается.
- В день отъезда она сообщает - ты езжай, я хочу остаться до выходных (в номере, им оплаченном). Может, она ждет, что кто-то подъедет?
- Дама спокойно едет в такси в аэропорт опять же без всяких признаков нездоровья. Согласитесь, Рик влюблен по уши, и если бы он увидел, что женщине плохо, то наверное бы забеспокоился.
- за 50 минут полета в Москву женщина умудряется заработать мини-инфаркт, судя по ее словам. Между прочим, она - медсестра и должна знать признаки надвигающегося инфаркта.
- в Москве станавливается в каком-то холодном доме у каких-то "друзей" )))), потом переезжает в чью-то квартиру. Причем жениху ничего не говорит.

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- Потом у нее внезапно развивается пневмония. Сразу после инфаркта.


- На телефонные звонки она не отвечает, особенно ночью, мотивируя тем, что по три часа разговариет с сестрой.
Блин, это уже даже не смешно. Кто-то в этой истории слишком много врет.


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David

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I’d be very careful here you may get into huge problems with the US law if it’s her daughter in thiory you could be getting her daughter a fiancee visa or putting incorrect information on the application not only is this a criminal offence it will discount you from any fiancee visa applications in future most likely... if you need to listen to anyone listen to Svetlana she’s in America and was the woman of choice by her husband partly for her wisdom which has been proven on many other posts. She’s a woman and knows different ways women think. Has a man I’d not trust Ms 46 from Russia the other lady is also right that there is reasonable doubt also has we have only got your part of the story however you’ve a history of being a lapdog for disfunctional women and sick women and if you ain’t been a lapdog you’ve been a career alcoholic cancer social worker and now Slavic emotional prostitute ... I’d personally trust Svetlana words has she’s married in America and a proven success and her husband is proof.... if you get a lawyer you get one that’s one cases not just attended court she’s married and left Eastern Europe so she’s got experiance most of us others don’t have.. that’s my advice now!!


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Rick

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Budget was $4,000.00, spent close to $7,000.00 total for everything. I would have stayed illegally and took her to hospital myself if she said she was that sick. I also would have come up with money last minute if she demanded to stay in peters due to illness, no question.

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Dear Lord, Rick... you are such a sweet, kind, and a bit naive. Please, don't be offended. I understand how it works. Love can be so ruthless, even a mature and wise man can be blindsided.
That woman took advantage of you. She lied to you. She manipulated, punished you by refusing to communicate. Is that what you want your marriage look like? I think you can do better.
I know, it's a harsh advice but cut your losses and start from scratch. I had been looking for my husband for three years and had to kiss many frogs before I found my one and only prince  
There are hundreds of fantastic women on this site. Communicate! Take your time to get to know a woman. Know exactly what you look for. Don't take things at a face value. Don't fall for just a beautiful face and a nice body.
Sending positive vibes your way, you will need them. I sympathize with you. I am getting my MSW ))))

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Olga, 48 y.o.

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Светлана, писала долго ответ, но неожиданно отключился комп и ничего не сохранилось   не судьба   однако, выходя из этой темы хочется все таки заметить как сильно меняется мнение формчанок на ситуацию в зависимости от того мужчина рассказывает историю или женщина   Совсем недавно дама приехавшая с первой встречи с восторгом перечислила подарки, восхищалась отелем и путешествием. И все форумчанки до единой говорили ей что подарки и потраченные на встречу деньги не являются признаком серьезности намерений и еще рано говорить о его отношении и строить планы на будущее   Женщинам на форуме называющих мужчин "любимыми" и "женихами" до встречи или после первой встречи все время неустанно напоминают что никакой он не жених если не было предложения брака с кольцом и какой же он любимый если его всего несколько дней видела. А тут вот тебе обратная сторона   Мужчина оплатил встречу, купил чемодан и превысил свой ( личный между прочим, а не оговоренный) лимит на поездку и вот он уже "жених" и "любимый мужчина" для нее и сразу как она посмела не проявить любви   

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Удачи всем и взаимопонимания   А главное согласия с самим собой   

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Ведь что обидно. Сидят здесь годами фантастически прекрасные женщины - красавицы, умницы, образованные, с золотым сердцем и характером, а им попадаются идиоты или вообще никого. А тут - нормальный мужчина, нормальной внешности. С деньгами, жениться готов хоть сейчас. Приехал, все организовал. На 30 лет младше не искал. И надо же - попалась такая непорядочная тетка. А ведь могли бы два человека сделать друг друга счастливыми.


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Salvador

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Rick, you have spent a lot of money in a woman you do not knew deeply.

You can not be pushed in that odd game, "If you do not pay for me, you do not deserve me".

Excuse the word but that is prostitution in even a "please do not touch until I get in the wedding bed".

It is silly and lack of selfcare, confidence, "Hombría" Manhood. Excuse my rude words, but it is the real true. Period!

You must stop of lamenting yourself as you get into a deep depresion and it only rebates you at a very low level. By lick your wounds in public will not change anything and I see a lack of confidence man.

Please, stop with that human emotion. Do not invest your time in memories. The reality is that lady is seeking more victims.

Hope you can understand these crude words, but it is all true.

Salvador

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Olga, 48 y.o.

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очень хотелось бы послушать версию этих же событий от "непорядочной тетки" ))))) А готовых жениться хоть сейчас на этом сайте ужасно много ))))) Только некоторым подавай не готового прям сейчас и нормального, а родного, заботливого да еще и одинаковыми взглядами на жизнь и отношения   а такого кто может сделать счастливой еще надо поискать среди кучи готовых и нормальных   

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Оля, Рик точно влюблен. Он сам это написал неоднократно. Насчет дамы - ну конечно нет. Поэтому я слово жених в кавычки взяла. Тем не менее, это не помешало ей денежки от мужчины регулярно принимать, и даже требовать, и о браке заговаривать. Или любовь отдельно, а деньги отдельно?
Я немножко уже американцев знаю. Вас наверное удивит, но они очень честные и доверчивые как дети. То, что Рик продолжал с ней общаться еще пять месяцев говорит только о том, что сильно увлечен был и ХОТЕЛ верить ей. А факт того, что сейчас на форум написал лично мне говорит о том, что критическая масса лжи превысила даже лимит терпения доверчивого и долготерпящего американца.
Я понимаю, что мы выслушали только одну сторону. Но у меня есть еще опыт, знание местныых особенностей обеих стран, России и США, и интуиция. В данном случае, я на 99% уверена, что мужчина попался на крючок не очень порядочной женщине.

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Оля, а мне кажется, что вы не поняли сути этой истории. Здесь речь-то была в основном не о подарках, а о том, что женщина постоянно врет, исчезает и манипулирует. Никто ее не заставляет считать его женихом. Как говорится, не нравится - не ешь. Только ведь она продолжала врать и тянуть деньги с него. И врет, врет, врет...
А что там за история, о которой вы пишете, я не в курсе. Может, там все так и было, что были подарки, но не было серьезных намерений.

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Не услышите. Зачем ей надо "светиться" ))) Другую добычу спугнет.

И на что вы, Оля, намекаете, что те, кто вышел замуж на этом сайте, живут с мужьями, которые незаботливые и с противоположными взглядами на жизнь и отношения? )))) Или это было так, ради риторики?

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Olga, 48 y.o.

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Простите, Сальвадор, но все люди в России разные. Кроме того Россия многонациональная страна и у каждой нации может быть свой менталитет и этикет. Я, не смотря на то что я славянка, живу в другой стране. Меня коробит фривольность, панибратство и распущенность. Сама идея "срывать поцелуи" мне кажется  дурным тоном и нарушением личных границ   Простите меня еще раз, вероятно я разочаровала вас своим ответом   Я не ханжа, но вероятно я сноб   Я признаю этот факт   Но я знаю точно что нет такого единого для всех "славянского этикета приема иностранных мужчин"   Есть гостеприимство, открытость. У каждого свои нормы и рамки. Даже на этом сайте женщины не могут придти в единому мнению о том что допустимо и что нет на первой встрече и уместно ли встречаться с мужчиной в родном городе   Так что уж говорить об огромной стране   Трех странах если считать все славянские страны   Так что, мне кажется главное это умение слушать, вести диалог и договариваться со своей женщиной. а пытаться подражать правилам чужой культуры бесполезно   но если вам это нравится то все в порядке   

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Olga, 48 y.o.

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Светлана, в моих словах нет никогда ни риторики ни намеков. Я отвечаю вам на ваш комментарий   Нормальный и готовый прям сейчас жениться мужчина и мужчина который станет любимым и сделает женщину счастливой не одно и тоже. Я не знаю кто как живет с мужьями, и я не думала что мы обсуждаем чужую семейную жизнь. Вы ведь писали о возможном счастье этой пары. 


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Salvador

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Rick, put attention to this and avoid free lunch scammers:

0.- Pay everything for me as I am beautiful and you do not deserve me until you pay (my fare),
1.- Everyone pays their own expenses,
2.- We can share all expenses,
3.- we can do business together as to spend it together ( this always was success with mom and dad, they agreed how to do a planning as to get vacations and had remarkable time).

With who will you go ????

I have success with option 3  , now we are planning a wonderful vacation to spain ( Barcelona) and France (Paris). How??? , let's work together and go for it together.....

Mom's wise is transmitted to this young lady who considers my mom as a Magical Woman for having such son.

She passed away and last words was "Never left Daria alone, I have seen she is a good woman who never had betrayed in your business, both of you are doing very well , I regret of not had time to meet her personally ".


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Rick

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Thank you. I take all responses with respect. I put myself out there looking for advice. I will take what is given. All of it is appreciated and realized. I do see the light, and saddens my heart. good luck with MSW.  

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Olga, 48 y.o.

Azerbaijan

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Нет, Светлана, меня не удивит какие американцы    Достаточно знакома с ними. Меня удивляет что вы считаете его слова утвержденным фактом и опять же на основании его слов осуждаете женщину которая не жалуется, не сетует и с которой вы не знакомы. На своем опыте и жизненном я прекрасно знаю что у всех историй отношений всегда две стороны и насильно заставить мужчину слать и тратить деньги не возможно. так что к чему перечень трат и подарков если проблема в манипуляциях и недопонимании? 

 Но у меня есть еще опыт, знание местныых особенностей обеих стран, России и США, и интуиция.

 Ок. Если вам так приятно думать то я даже готова согласиться с фактом что у меня всех трех вышеперечисленных пунктов нет ))))) Просто чтобы не продолжать дискуссию ))) Речь то не о том кто прав а кто нет. 


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Aksi

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You were wrong to think I felt sorry for you. This is absolutely not so. I just apologized for the possible sharpness of the statements on my part.


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David

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20 days x $150 a day = $3000 plus $1000 for airfairs and transport.... is enough to budget for 1 man and Slavic woman but two rooms depending on hotel quality could push they figure up somewhat..... with a nice quality apartment on AirB&B $4000 is possible!!! Myself if I meet woman I always want a AirB&B apartment gives you a idea what married life will be like... 2 hotel rooms is a fantasy life.... we can’t stop you so if you do meet her again try A AirB&B not that I’m advising to meet again!!!

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

United States

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Нет, я писала о том, что этот мужчина мог бы сделать счастливой другую женщину, которая бы искренне его любила.

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Olga, 48 y.o.

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не поспоришь   разумеется, любящий мужчина может сделать счастливой ту женщину которая его любит   ради этого все мы тут и зарегистрировались   но люди все разные, Светлана. то что радует одну, внушает ужас другой   


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David

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Two points you’ve touched on here Ben in England there are blokes who pay to be treat like this I had a friend who was a rock-chick and dominatrix she had a low rider Harley Davidson and a cottage on lord mantons estate in Yorkshire .... she told me how easy the money was to make by humiliation of men who got sexually turned on by this... she never let the blokes sleep with her but if they did has they was told they was rewarded by her letting them give her oral sex... she had a hut for humiliation in her garden!!! I am thinking when he said I’ll go back and give 100% he’s into this maybe?

Once it’s gone and the 46 year old loses him she’s going to be gutted and realised she kissed the prince and she will be selling fruit like a babushka on subway when she’s 50+ stupid woman!!!

Your right women should be queuing for him...

I’m more experienced than Rick obviously if I was him now you know what I’d do....mind games....... no matter how much it hurts DONT CONTACT HER her DNA Has a woman she will think and she will not know what to do..... when she contacts you then lay down the rules your rules.... give her time to think what she’s lost and tell her it’s your rules or you’ve gone!!! Your a prince if you was also a man you have a chance.... women only take the piss if you allow it.... Slavic woman stranger than Slavic man!!! They want a real man... a provider... a hunter and someone who will lead the house... most women here are leaders and totaly tired and sick of it.... f she’s doing this to you she’s toying with you... mix your kindness and add control.... no control and you have to walk away!!!! You will do what you will do no matter what people tell you... so at least if you walk into it do it with your eyes open

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Svetlana, 52 y.o.

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Ну так если внушает ужас, так и не надо с ним встречаться, и деньги с него тянуть не надо, не надо морочить человеку голову.


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Sofia

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Оля, ну как же не жених? Ясно написано в посте
"When we left our first meeting we were engaged to be married, I gave a ring I made myself as I am a jeweler. We talked about K-1 visa and agreed to to do this. "
мужчина сделал предложение, сам изготовил кольцо, преподнёс, приняла, обговаривали визу невесты... Какая разница на какой по счёту встрече? Зачем принимала предложение с кольцом? Чтобы финпомощь иметь?
И не проглядывает схожести с ситуацией, когда поехала отдохнули вместе, подарков отхватила и женихом называет. Или я чего то недопонимаю?
 

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